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I'd question whether it was really Doug Fir at $1/LF. It costs a lot more than that. I paid $2.86/LF for 1x6 3 years ago. It has a darker color and a pronounced grain and looks much different than regular dimensional lumber. It's also much heavier.
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I have my doubts that you could get the DF from lowes or home depot or that it would be of usable quality. For you MA-NH guys, there is a specialty lumber yard in Stoughton that may be worth making the trip to.

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If you want to travel a little, I know Little Falls lumber has some nice Doug Fir. They have a location in Albany.

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Don't forget that LVL (laminated veneer lumber) is an alternate. We do have one member that did go this route and there is a thread on it.


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Pete,i definitly look to your knowledge for guidence.iam worried about lvl because after tearing apart my 86' the only truly rotted wood was the small amount of ply that was used in the original build.convince me that this stuff wont swell/warp/come apart if it were to get wet.my gut says if there was one small entry point for water the damage could be disasterous.
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Originally posted by bbishop1974 bbishop1974 wrote:

Pete,i definitly look to your knowledge for guidence.iam worried about lvl because after tearing apart my 86' the only truly rotted wood was the small amount of ply that was used in the original build.convince me that this stuff wont swell/warp/come apart if it were to get wet.my gut says if there was one small entry point for water the damage could be disasterous.


Good point, I have spoke with several boat builders in my area who also stated that they use lvl, but they actualy do the laminating themselves. I think its obvious if it is glassed correctly there shouldnt be an issue, but then the "what if's" come in to play and I think it would rot quicker if water got in...I think for my Df is the best way to go. Thats just me though, I guess time will only tell...Have you got any progress done this week? Nothing new here been putting in 65 hr work weeks lately
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How long have you owned your silver nautique for, I looked at one in Ct last year, not sure if that was the boat, yours looks way nicer, unless of course you did some work to the exterior?
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Originally posted by Brian82683 Brian82683 wrote:

Good point, I have spoke with several boat builders in my area who also stated that they use lvl, but they actualy do the laminating themselves. I think its obvious if it is glassed correctly there shouldnt be an issue, but then the "what if's" come in to play and I think it would rot quicker if water got in...I think for my Df is the best way to go. Thats just me though, I guess time will only tell...Have you got any progress done this week? Nothing new here been putting in 65 hr work weeks lately


Sanger still use LVL stringers that they guarantee will not rot. I doubt that they build them but would have them done to their specs at the LVL manufacturer factory.
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brian,i bought my silver in sept 2010.the boat is a 50/50 boat.looks good at 50 mph or 50 ft. away .when i'm done with stringers in? i plan on starting a thread on complete re gel.i plan on flipping,take it to bare glass and start over.the black gel below water is gone.no wood =no progress on my end+i had my kids last weekend.
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Yea the one i looked at was in rought shape...the guy was firm on the price and I felt it was too high so I passed...I would like to get on in the future as they are so rare...one day!
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how much was it?i actually tried selling mine earlier this year,i think i posted it for $3500,no real bites,mostly guys that wanted to just use it,not restore it.it deserves to get restored IMHO.
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it was $3500 i think, this was down in CT. Cracked manifold and wouldnt start when I went to look at it...At the time I was looking for a good ski boat not a project though...If had come down it would have been a done deal.
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Its been about a week since ive worked on the boat, started sanding today. Can anyone tell me how far down I have to go? Also I would assume all the old bilge paint needs to be either stripped or sanded down correct?
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Originally posted by Brian82683 Brian82683 wrote:

Its been about a week since ive worked on the boat, started sanding today. Can anyone tell me how far down I have to go? Also I would assume all the old bilge paint needs to be either stripped or sanded down correct?


I think its gel coat right? I think it also depends on what you are covering it with and how smooth you want it to be. I am grinding all mine off. 36 grit paper on an angle grinder makes short (dusty) work of it.
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Yea so far i tried a belt sander with 50 grit, which helped but didnt get the job one. I think put 60 grit on a orbital sander, which was useless, it really didnt do too much....so get 36 grit for my angle grinder? is the 4" wheel ok?
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yup. thats what I used but dont mess around with it and pay attention to what your touching it will burn through on the edge. Just keep it moving but it will make this job alot easier. A few seconds and it will have the gel removed. Leave that orbital on the shelf.
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Is this what the grinding disk looks like?
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yes, there are those, that would work. the ones I have been using specifically are just solid, no little flaps. They key is the grit. Gotta get mean with this stuff.
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The bilge coating is typically a pigmented resin. In the areas where you will be bonding new glass, you what it gone as well as any heavy areas of regular resin. You should just start to see glass as that's what you want to bond to. It's the "strength" of the hull and the resin is just a "glue" to hold the glass together.


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Thanks for clarifying pete, would that be a polyester resin I am guessing? I am considering redoing mine with a tinted epoxy resin, think it will be cost prohibitive?

I have a quart of light gray gel coat I was considering as well.
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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

The bilge coating is typically a pigmented resin. In the areas where you will be bonding new glass, you what it gone as well as any heavy areas of regular resin. You should just start to see glass as that's what you want to bond to. It's the "strength" of the hull and the resin is just a "glue" to hold the glass together.



Yea thats what I was thinking last night when I when I crossed this river. But waned to double check. Another question, any thoughts on how ceder would work for secondary stringers? I have a good ammount in my back yard wasnt sure..Ive been following bills boatworks thread and he used pine. thanks
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Originally posted by Brian82683 Brian82683 wrote:

Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

The bilge coating is typically a pigmented resin. In the areas where you will be bonding new glass, you what it gone as well as any heavy areas of regular resin. You should just start to see glass as that's what you want to bond to. It's the "strength" of the hull and the resin is just a "glue" to hold the glass together.



Yea thats what I was thinking last night when I when I crossed this river. But waned to double check. Another question, any thoughts on how ceder would work for secondary stringers? I have a good ammount in my back yard wasnt sure..Ive been following bills boatworks thread and he used pine. thanks


Im sure you have seen these threads as well but I have seen several uses bilge paint or even garage floor paint...not sure it looked nice in the pics, I would assume gel would be ultimately the best. On a gel note, I did start chipping the grey paint off the bow last night as i was leaving...it peels right off...the sides may be different, im sure I will need all new decals, but they were painted on in 1980 so we will see...Did you get your decals from this site?
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I did, Tim D, they are real nice, after the wetsand/buff that was the second biggest appearance improvement, I always get alot of compliments on how nice the boat looks, just dont get close enough to see the spider cracking.
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Originally posted by Brian82683 Brian82683 wrote:

I will need all new decals, but they were painted on in 1980 so we will see...


Pretty sure you were right painted on, some guys have talked about replacing with decals, I know pete has brought up the gerber mask several times for originality, I dont think anyone on this site is producing a decal for an 80 (or at least is willing to admit it) if you want that might have to look at a local place. I dont think there is anyone on here producing a gerber either or at least I have seen. Maybe you could have a run done at a local place, I am sure more would have interest on the site as well, maybe you could be brian the gerber guy.
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good to know. regardless I think I can get the paint off and Im hoping i can just bring back what is there....to be cont...
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brian,read keegans thread,73' skier restoration,he has good pictures of how far to grind down.you need to get to clean glass/resin.some are comfortable with getting to clean mat,others like to get down to the hull cloth layer,just dont go too deep.i went a little deep cleaning my channels out because i was holding grinder at a angle.keep your disc flat against hull.
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Originally posted by bbishop1974 bbishop1974 wrote:

brian,read keegans thread,73' skier restoration,he has good pictures of how far to grind down.you need to get to clean glass/resin.some are comfortable with getting to clean mat,others like to get down to the hull cloth layer,just dont go too deep.i went a little deep cleaning my channels out because i was holding grinder at a angle.keep your disc flat against hull.


I did the same thing on that. Thats why I was saying watch the edge of that grinder if you point it down thats where it will go yikes!!!
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Ok I offically started grinding today after I got some 36 grit grinding wheels....

Ive been looking at other threads and thought I understood that I need to get everything gone...I also saw a thread that I think Keegan Posted a few years back showing 3 different layers in glass and which one that it should be takend down too.

Well I noticed a spot located in the area of the bilge which had been connected to the starboard side primary stringer and i was able to pri it up with a screw driver...This saved a ton of grinding but I ended up having to cut it horizontally, almost the length of the boat to avoid unbolting the fins and ski pole hole because the glass would have went under it...I then grinded it down at the seem. as I was cleaning up I noticed by the seem the color was lighter and I could stick a screw driver in there. My question is, should I grind any more or leave that area alone? and did ii go to far or does all that need to come up?

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brian,if iam seeing correctly,i was similar.you definitly got to get loose glass out of there.it looks like above that looks ok.there seems to be different opinions on how for to go.some say good clean well adhered mat is ok.tim commented in keegans thread he likes to go all the way to clean hull cloth.i went to clean hull cloth.its not that much more effort and i think it will have a smoother finished look.dont know for sure as this is my first time as well.keep up the good work
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Yea i figured it would be ok, but It was liek 1/4" think maybe a little thinner...I think from now on if its bonded Ill leave it and if its not ill grind it, i am afraid of going too close....that would blow to rip through the gel...
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