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There are many reasons to buy a diesel, but for most people, economics is not one of them.

Assume a diesel motor costs $5000 more than a gas motor. Assume diesel is $4/Gallon, and gas is $3.50/gallon. Assume diesel gets 17 mpg, and gas gets only 13 mpg.

Assuming everything else is equal, you will still have to drive 147,300 miles before you recover the extra cost of owning the diesel.

Most people will not keep a vehicle that long.

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Why is diesel so much more that regular gas? Isn't it actually less refined?

I am looking at used trucks, so I am not sure that the $5000 up charge is so high buying used. Buying new, however, it is every bit that much and more. I just built my dream truck on chevy.com and the Duramax option was over $7,000! Even if the two fuels were the same price at the pump, that is still a lot of miles before you get the return on your investment (unless you convert it to run on FREE used veg. oil).

Like BKH said, though, I imagine most people don't buy diesel for the extra MPG's and I guess I won't either.
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Originally posted by azeus17 azeus17 wrote:

Like BKH said, though, I imagine most people don't buy diesel for the extra MPG's and I guess I won't either.


   Nah,buy them for the towing power.I'd love to have one for towing,but I don't do enough to justify it.I think with the fuel economy creeping up in gas trucks,there isn't such a gap in the mpg anymore.Some guys I know claim 18-20 mpg in their deisels,is that accurate??I get 16-18 average in my Dodge.

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Yes cummins get great MPG with the 3.54 rear end as opposed to the 4.10 option which puts the rpms to high at highway speeds. My uncles truck (99 cummins long bed ext cab 3.54 automatic) reguarly sees 22mpg unloaded on the highway. Our old 01 cummins had 4.10's but at lower towing speeds with my car on it(about 6000lbs load) it got 16mpg towing to columbus ohio at 65mph. Id love to have one but cant afford the fuel or the extra cost.

Thats pretty good mpg average out of a dodge 210.

Cummins compaired to my dakota 360 with 3.92 gears puling my boat 75mph home from florida I got 9mpg in the hills till I got into indiana then I got 12. Soo the towing on the cummins is where its at compaired to gas.
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Originally posted by bkhallpass bkhallpass wrote:

There are many reasons to buy a diesel, but for most people, economics is not one of them.

Assuming everything else is equal, you will still have to drive 147,300 miles before you recover the extra cost of owning the diesel.

Most people will not keep a vehicle that long.

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The diesel is the smart way to go IF you do a lot of HD (10,000 lbs. or more) towing. If not then you are correct that it isn't a economical choice.

I'm sure there are lot's out there that simply buy a diesel for the macho factor!! I wish I had that kind of money to just waste!!

Two big things have changed since I bought my 95 diesel. The higher cost per gal. for diesel and the higher cost for the engine upgrade have made it a choice I would no longer consider. I'm happy that I did get it back in 95 but I also have long since paid for the extra upgrade. I will be hitting the 200K mile mark next week and will be driving it till it drops!!   


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That is another great thing about those trucks. My brother works for Ford on those engines and he said they are engineered to last 250,000 miles compaired to 150,000 for gas.
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This morning I was looking at the 4.5L Cummins diesel that will be an option in the GM 1/2ton trucks. The thing is so quit, it's hard to tell it's a diesel. They figure 310hp and nice torque. It gets about 23mpg. Niiiiice
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I don't know about your cars, but over here diesel engines are built to last 500.000 km (310.600 miles)...
And most people here keep their cars for that long. BTW there used to be an extra tax on diesel engines, but the gov't abolished it, so the profit is bigger now driving a diesel here.

And indeed, the torque on a diesel car is more than a gas car.

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I have had both diesel and a gas V-10 F-350. If you plow snow like I do you know a diesel is where it's at. I plowed with the V-10 got 7pmg on average plowing. Diesel plowing snow got 15mpg on average. Gas motor haul trailers well, but diesels haul them even better. By the way you pay an upcharge for a diesel when new, but check the resale when used. Just for example 97 f-350 4x4 diesel is still going for $14k plus, same truck with a gas motor $7.5.

I agree with what has already been said, decide what you need the truck for.If your going to work it buy the diesel.
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I think I just paid for part of the new refinery that Marithon is building in Louisiana! The pay at the pump has a $75 limit on credit cards. It normally takes two of my cards to fill the tank but today I reached the $75 limit on both cards. $4.099 per gal!!


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Pete diesel is $4.29 and above everywhere you go around me. By the way it's the gas station not your card. I use the same card at different stations some shut of some don't. I have even gone as far as calling the card company and they have always told me it is up the the station to put a limit on the pump.
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The same station will have different limits for different cards. Like $50.00 for VISA and $75.00 for Master Card
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I remember when I used to max out at $100, twice. I really don't understand the point of limiting a credit card that low.
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I was thinking of getting a used diesel instead of the Tundra. All I can say is I'm glad I didn't go that route. Diesel was $4.29 a gallon yesterday at the station near me.

I am still loving this Tundra, fun truck, lots of power and not using much more fuel than my old V6 Tacoma. Can't wait to pull with it this summer and everyone will be able to ride in one vehicle
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You can actually run the same card again and continue pumping.
The Station limits the card on a per use basis. I have done this many times at Pilot and Flying J truck stops.

They also told me that I could always just go inside and give them my card and they would open the pump for a fill-up. If I am pulling the Sea Ray behind the Motorhome, it is 75 gals for the boat and 50 gals for the motorhome. I just go in and give them the card.
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I don't understand what the hell difference it makes. If you're paying with a credit card, let the damn thing go until it's done. It's PRE-paid. I won't go to the Speedway or Pilot here, because they both pull that crap.

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Originally posted by Behl Behl wrote:

The same station will have different limits for different cards. Like $50.00 for VISA and $75.00 for Master Card


Real PITA when your filling up a motorhome or a bus right Steve. 75 gallon tank on the MH, I never let it go past half so I don't have a freaking heart attack at the pumps.
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Real PITA when your filling up a motorhome


I love the look on my wife's face when I jump back in the MH and hand her that $200 gas receipt.
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1 75 fill up per day in the summer split between the trucks and the jerry cans for the boats and jetskis usually everything is down to a half tank or less by the end of the weekend then by the next friday everthing is full. If the weather is lousy I might not even go to the gas station more than 4 days a week, if its a good summer it takes some restraint to stay at the 75 (well plus 25 for beer and ice) a day.
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Originally posted by 81nautique 81nautique wrote:

Real PITA when your filling up a motorhome


I love the look on my wife's face when I jump back in the MH and hand her that $200 gas receipt.


First year we had the MH we logged over 8000 miles, last year 2100 and this year so far we only have 3 trips planned for about 1300 miles. Between the insurance and the maintenance upkeep these things cost too much money to just let them sit in the driveway. Really a shame because when you travel with kids and pets it's the only way to go.

You can still have it make sense if you factor in boarding the dog, hotel costs, feeding four people 3 times a day, etc but there was a time when we came out ahead of the game, that's long gone.
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PITA - YES it is running around $0.85 per mile for fuel and another $0.20 per mile for insurance. Our insurance comes up for renewal May 6th, will be interesting to see what this years cost will be.
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We just put an order in for diesel fuel to fill our in-ground tank.
Yesterday we were quoted $4.13/gal, and our sales person said to wait until Thursday, when it should go down $0.05/gal. We ordered it today at #3.98/gal.
That doesn't sound like much, but it saved us $1200 on the 8000 gallons that we ordered.

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When one does interstate you also have check each states' price for that makes a big difference
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It's definitely a gamble, similar to day trading.
We do most of our trucking in our home state of Michigan. We rarely, if ever, fuel our trucks out of state. Ohio, if I'm not mistaken, is a little cheaper.

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Originally posted by 81nautique 81nautique wrote:


You can still have it make sense if you factor in boarding the dog, hotel costs, feeding four people 3 times a day, etc but there was a time when we came out ahead of the game, that's long gone.


Alan,
Add in the "fun" factor too!
We're heading to Myrtle Beach in April.
Then, for the remainder of Summer, it may be just quick 1hr trips to the Cape or NH.
Worth it to be able to jump in and go whenever we want.
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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

Originally posted by Randy_in_Ohio Randy_in_Ohio wrote:

Tim is right about everything but the gas mileage

Randy, I admit I have no idea what the 5.7 gets for mileage. My comment was based on the I-Force vs. VVTi ('05-current) 4.7 only, which is what I think Chris is comparing.

Chris, I think it would be reasonable to expect 17-18mpg (highway) from a 1st gen Tundra in the summertime, regardless of which V8 it has. I get 18-20 in my 4Runner with the same engine.


the hp changes in the vvti to from the non wvvti I force are basically non existent. apparently it is 35hp, but you wiull not find it anywhere other than on the info from Yota. Those that have owned the 03-04 v8 4runners have not noticed any increse in power or faster accelleration from their 05+ v8 4runners.



Our 04 4.7 4runner gets the same 18-20 mpg yours gets. And it also runs 0-60 a bit quicker than the mags tested them at when they were new. I used to have the times, but maybe we just got a "hot" one?

That said, I love the new tundra. HAd the 5.7 been available in 04, we probably would have gotten a sequoia, but the 4.7 in the sequoia is too overwhelmed, even with apparently a few extra HP in the sequoia vs the 4runner. It just did not have the pep that the 04 v8 4runner we test drove, and then bought.

But, we really like the new 08 sequoia, and it may be her first non 4 runner yota purchase.


what kind of mpg have you been getting in the tundra as of late?? I know th e tranny is the same, and I think the gear ratio is the same, just a rear IRS (which I wish they had not done) vs the solid rear axle in the tundra. A rear coil spring solid would have been a better choice in the new Sequoia. Yota did a great job making the 03+ 4runner ride great with coils in the back and a SRA.




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Just got my new tow vehicle yesterday. Brand new F-350 4X4 diesel, crewcab short box. Pics to follow hopefully by sunday evening.
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You Ford guys geta raise?

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NO raise John, lease on my F-150 was up, so a new truck was in order. Did't get a chance to take pics was a very busy week end. I am hoping I will have time in the next couple days. But I am really happy with it.
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