I Know most of you wont care but...

so what are all of these and what purpose do they serve?

the chines/spraypockets or whatever on the hull---why so many? does each have a purpose? at a different speed or?

MIskier wrote: Yeah as the displacement is increased there is a corresponding increase in lifting surface.

Please expound on this since we do have members who may not understand displacement and lifting surfaces. BTW, to me, they are totally different!!

So, Actually what you're trying to say is, It's a coefficient of correlation between variables of drag and lift in a displaceable current.

More so you can get 10,000lbs of boat moving in less than a month, I guess I should have explained the region that we wanted to create more lift.

I still think the boat is an experiment in ugly.
Meaning, I think the Chiefs were thinking:
"How ugly can we make a boat and people will still pay 100 grand for it".

DrCC wrote: I still think the boat is an experiment in ugly. Meaning, I think the Chiefs were thinking: "How ugly can we make a boat and people will still pay 100 grand for it".

Yeh, Al, I'd go with the flat bottom jon boat or look back to what Gar Wood did in the 20's!! He was an true engineer and didn't even have the BS CAD!!! MG, what would the kids do these days without the assistance of a computer????

DrCC wrote: That's my point.   Once I make all wakeboard boats useless, then I can use my boat on a Saturday.

MIskier wrote: So no one that uses CAD or is under the age of 45 is a true engineer?

You got that correct at least!! Yes, I'm over 45 and do not use CAD!!! I still have a full mechanical and EE degree. I have a feeling you are overstepping your understanding of your true talents!! Keep working on it!

The one thing I do really like about the boat.
If it capsized, you would have a real neat set of steps to climb up to the keel to wave for help.

All right fellas cut the guy some slack. He is passionate about using science and research to create something better than was previously possible. Why the personal attacks? He is just sharing something new that has hit the market. I understand that you think its ugly and blah blah blah 4 pages of pi$$IN N MOANIN about it. It is not for you. OBVIOUSLY! I love my old boat and what it has to offer but am not so closed minded about what the future may hold. Ya'll sound like my 15 year old complaining about the new Transformers movie!

Ok hear we go, a little lesson for the slalom crowd.

To make a larger wake you need to displace more water.   To make it useful for a wakeboarders you need to do it in a way that makes the wake a rideable shape, so you sink the whole boat, not just one end. Having the engine in the back helps, just like the engine in the middle helps reduce the wake for skiing.   Now all that weight makes the boat a little sluggish out of the hole so the chimes help to lift the back end. Once they get level, the boat runs on the narrower surface in the middle which is deeper in the water because of the ballast to make a wake.   

Now most wakeboarders need to improve their skills more than they need this wake, but the marketing guys have led them to believe they need the wake instead. So they buy these things that most can't even take advantage of, but it keeps the economy rolling along so it's all good. That means Mlskier can work on his DD and maybe one day we can see it in the water instead of on the computer screen.

By the way, when the wakeboarders want to really get some air I know a secret and it doesn't require that, or Pete's kite tube.

DrCC wrote: Which trans thread?

trans thread I was talking about

Pete, take it easy. Just because something is new and different to us, and maybe not our cup of tea, it doesn't warrant personal insults. And I think there are plenty of very capable engineers under 50, or 45 or even 40...I can think of at least two in particular, right now.

You know I can of funny thing I've been playing with lately is weighting my boat. We don't run much, but I added 2 more batteries to the stereo and it really seemed to drag a bit out of the hole. They're behind the back seat weigh about 50lbs, one on each side for balance.   I got noticing that when we get a full boat, 2 people in the front really helps the situation and smooths the ride.

Last week I bought 10 40lb bags of steel shot. I put 4 in the bow as far forward as I could get them for leverage. I put 2 in the back corners against the transom. Then 2 more went in the cabin so we can balance the wakes sizes to side. 320 lbs total. The boat rockets out of the hole like it used to, handles better because it's running flatter and my wake doubled in size.   It's not enough to make the gas bill noticeably higher, and everyone that has ridden with me loves the wake, the performance increase, and the smoother ride. I'm still playing with where to hide everything, and what to shift around depending upon how many people we have. I guess the old barefoot hull just isn't comfortable until she gets level, and 24mph just wasn't quite enough to do that.

All those chines are definitely an engineers solution, the same thing could have been done with a wake plate to push the transom up and then fold out of the way at speed. I guess they felt that solution worked better at slower speeds where the plate might still be down.

As far as getting rid of the wakeboard boats, no need, they don't usually get out til the crack of noon, so the water is still smooth early just like it's always been. Our problem here are the old folks who like to sight see at 8 mph, if someone is actually doing something behind the boat (besides tubing) we're glad to see them working at it. I've watched a 230 and a Sanger DLX barefoot and wakeboard in the same stretch of water, it can be done you just have to work it out with others.

ML, I think it's very impressive that you got to work on that design, no matter what company it is. Quite a feather in your cap.

I spent about an hour in the 230 at the NE Reunion and the utility/experience in a boat like that can't be compared to a traditional boat. When Mike first came into the area where we were rafted, there were 6-8 boats. He picked every person up on the raft, except 1 and she stayed to watch the boats, and he still had room for more people! It was a poplular boat all weekend. I know my sons spent a lot of time in it.

I like that the MC does not use drag hardware. The only downside to those boats is the damage/complaints that they may generate, especially on narrow lakes. Our raft got waked by the 230 and most of us weren't too impressed with its wake from that end.