I Know most of you wont care but...

You old dudes are a little harsh on the MI. If it were up to all of you we'd still be doing ski fly behind a 76 ski tique. BUT...it would have the 351 so I can understand how bad ass that would be.

peter1234 wrote: why are you guys trying to scare off another new member?

I believe it's happened to everyone here, some people can take it some can't. Same thing in the hydrofoil groups, everything is fair game after the first ride, and 99% of the people I've gotten to know are like friends I've known all my life almost instantly. I suspect this group is the same, I just haven't gotten out enough to meet many here yet.

FWIW, I believe that was the first leaked picture to hit any site that I've seen so that's kinda special even if you don't like it. They managed to keep a very tight wrap on a project that everyone in the wakeboard world knew was going on for a very long time.

Not a lot of wakeboarders or MasterCraft fans around here, you can easily understand the lack of acceptance.

I never thought of any hull component design performance attributes at anything other than skiing speeds, so that is actually interesting.

Thanks for the kind words. I didn't really expect to win anyone over but for me if there is a boat that is cool looking no matter the brand or the age I like to hear about it. Didn't expect personal attacks over showing pictures of a boat though.

MIskier wrote: Thanks for the kind words. I didn't really expect to win anyone over but for me if there is a boat that is cool looking no matter the brand or the age I like to hear about it. Didn't expect personal attacks over showing pictures of a boat though.

I dont think the "attack" was directed so much at you personally....

MIskier wrote: Had to post some pics of the New X-star. Ive been waiting 2 years to tell people about this boat. So here it is

Once you expained your involvement, even tho the boat is not "our style", there is some envy of being able to have a job like that. I dont think you could "win" a lot of us over to ANY brand of wakeboard boat.

....Stick around we may all learn something!!

MIskier wrote: Thanks for the kind words. I didn't really expect to win anyone over but for me if there is a boat that is cool looking no matter the brand or the age I like to hear about it. Didn't expect personal attacks over showing pictures of a boat though.

Live and learn!
Their are many on This site That are pretty much stick in the mud old schooler's that live in last century. Personaly I dont have a problem with that as I have been accused of that from time to time. The thing about this thred is the lack of vision and respect from some of these members. Mastercraft has a real work of art that they spent thousands of $$$$$$ to bring to fruition and they have a following of owners that will step up and purchase one. The key for Nautiques is how to buld a better mousetrap and get those to switch over and purchase their boat, it is a visous cycle.
Glad you had a chance to get your feet wet with the development of this Craft. Having been on the ground floor of many new products in the Nautique lines I know it can be fun and rewarding.

Good luck in your design future!

I watched the Mastercraft youtube video that was mentioned above. I'll watch it again more carefully when I get home. One thing I did notice was how versatile the seating and storage is. Looks like you can quickly and easily configure it how you like and there's tons of easy storage. Tons of utility is a good thing.

Mlskier
I think its only fair to post a 2012 Nautique on the MC team forum and compare comments. I doubt any would be favorable and it would probably get deleted within a short period of time.

Matt,
Thanks for posting. Interested in seeing the latest and greatest. Although I'm not an MC fan, at some point the boats of today depreciate to the point that they become affordable for people like me and some of the innovation will be copied/tweaked by CC and others.

Is there any functional reason/purpose of the instruments "rising" up out of the dash or is that just a cool factor?

When you said that the price was "north of $100K" does that mean $105K or $150K. North of $100K can mean many things. Curious. It seems that MC and others would be pricing themselves out of the market. I'm sure there will always be the rich dad who wants his son to have the best of the best, but really are there enough rich dads to make this work for the long haul? There are alot more average income people out there. I mean with the strakes, the UFO dash, the power tower et al is it really $50K more fun than a loaded new Moomba? Is it $90K more fun than my 88 2001?

I know that's not really a question for you Matt, just a rhetorical question for the group.

Again, thank you for posting.

SNobsessed wrote: Bri892001 wrote: Some of you guys mentioned keeping the back as simple as possible. I can't totally agree. I like the trend that Yamaha boats started, making the stern a whole activity area, instead of just the end of the boat. It's like a swim platform, plus. Yamaha Stern I wonder what the safety review committee was smoking when they approved that concept?

I agree Chris. I think that would be fine around here right up until the engine is started.

MIskier wrote: That is run by MC though so that is a little different, and I don't think any of them would say your not fit to be an engineer.

The new Xstar is all over the Supra/Moomba forums and they are owned by Skiers Choice. Don't take one comment from one member as the opinion of all members. You have to expect that when you post a MC on a CC forum.
But at least you can post it here. As for price the old Xstar is north of 100k my guess is some where in the 130-150 range for the 2012.

I always assumed the taper would help with acceleration by making the boat wider/more floatable out of the hole.

When up to speed the taper to the bottom side of the hull would help "close the door" behind the boat in order the make the wake as small as possible. That theory wouldn't make sense with a wakeboat unless speed is everything?

Seems to me the running surface would first be designed then additional chines added to increase lift for holeshot.

I don't think MIskier was necessarily calling them the same thing, he was talking about someone else calling them the same thing, took me a few reads to get that.

It’s like anything else they totally redesign, like back in the early 2000 when they redesign the snowmobile chassis I thought they were ugly and would never make it but when you got riding them they end up being a hell of a sled. But I can say this about that boat I like the new SN hell of a lot better. They seem to be more users friendly. I thought this was a Ski Nautique site.     

$120,000 selling price
$100,000 financed amount
5.5% interest rate (based on current new boat rates)
15 year term

payment                     $817.08/month
property taxes where I live $1916/year (estimated based on $80,000 value)
insurance                   $1000/year (wild guess)
gas                         $5000/season (another wild guess)

ownership cost per month    $1475 (not counting routine service)

Steve's house pmt.          $767 (taxes and insurance escrowed)
Steve's current boat pmt.   $0

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