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BuffaloBFN wrote: I think you are cutting the header on your quotes. I this case it was missing '[QUOTE=8122pbrainard]'.

So Michelle's habit has been bothering you too!! I've been meaning to bring it to her attention but am always too busy with her other topics!

8122pbrainard wrote: BuffaloBFN wrote: I think you are cutting the header on your quotes. In this case it was missing '[QUOTE=8122pbrainard]'. So Michelle's habit has been bothering you too!! I've been meaning to bring it to her attention but am always too busy with her other topics!

And you pointed out a typo for me?!!?   LOL

Lee,

You know I'm always cleaning and scrubbing boats. I can rub the gel till it matches.

8122pbrainard wrote: I asked because it may be a great spot to cut out a sample Find a period correct horn and make sure the base of the horn will cover the cutout (patched). Wet sand and buff the area first to give them a true representation of the final deck color.

Great idea! I still want to see the color swatches they send though.

8122pbrainard wrote: I'm thinking it was the small round electric.

Pete,

Would that electric horn be mounted up under the dash? I DO believe I have that.

I didn't dismantle the dash or electrical, but I do remember...if it's approx.3" round.

JB does the engine and wiring work. I'm doing the cosmetics.

Now I will have to search through his baggies. Tried calling him, but he's out there protecting us somewhere.

At any rate, will this horn be blowing inside the boat under the dash????

sanity wrote: 8122pbrainard wrote: I'm thinking it was the small round electric. Pete, Would that electric horn be mounted up under the dash? I DO believe I have that. I didn't dismantle the dash or electrical, but I do remember...if it's approx.3" round. At any rate, will this horn be blowing inside the boat under the dash????

I believe that the USCG required horns of some type for a long time. My 54 has one and it's a automotive surplus black painted under the bow deck. That would be the standard horn and the optional would be the deck mounted chrome.

a horn or other sounding device required underway but not as standard equipment your whistle on the key chain works fine

8122pbrainard wrote: The horn issue must be a very "gray" area in the early years. Even back to the pre WWII days some boats had them. I'll have to do some investigation! Our chaperters safety director is a Power squadron member who teaches USCG classes and would be a good person to ask!

Pete,

I emailed my cousin from MD who is USCG and here is his reply.

****I'll give you a more complete answer tomorrow, but no, a "horn" is not the only approved or required sound producing device for a vessel.
Required sound producing devices depend on the length and type of vessel and whether underway, weather conditions, etc.***

I will email him again and ask if the laws have changed since the "early" years.

Michelle,
I got a little more detailed in my question.

"The question came up on correctcraftfan.com whether the boat manufacturers were required to supply horns on boats. Through the years it seems that there were times like the 50's they did and then in the 60's no and then the 70's yes again! I know present day regulations require that you simply need something on board and even a whistle will do. I do know the sirens that were popular in the 60's were banned!!!"

Pete my friend you are really reaching on this one. You spent too much time around expensive inboards. The actual regulations on what the boat must have underway has always varied depending on type and length of vessel as well as where it is operated (inland vs open water varies as well as state to state). Coast Guard regulations on boat manufacture I am quite certain never required anything like a battery powered horn. I have been on dozens and dozens of small outboard boats of all ages that dont have battery's much less horns. A battery powered horn on a sailboat with a kicker or even a small inboard would be simply underheard of in any era as well.

I am saying the atom is an inboard and therefore relatively expensive as are all inboards. I have spent considerable time on a motorized coast guard approved vessal from every five year period from 1940 to the present day without a factory installed horn. It would have been an unreasonable requirement on boats that only had starters as optional equipment. A lot of the add on/dealer install electric start kits on 50s-60's outboards came with a dash plate with a big emblem in the middle , a key switch, a horn button and more rarely a light pull switch. It was assumed that you would add those options now that you would have a battery onboard.

Now my favorite factory installed horn of all time was the dual trumpet deck mounted horn factory installed in an early 60's lyman outboard given to a summer camp I worked for, it had a good sized replacable freon tank, and an electric solenoid valve operated by a dash button. Not environmentaly friendly but an unmistakeable tone, never sounded the same once we ran out and switched to compressed air.

Pete, More horn information from my cousin. This is still general and doesn't refer "just" to cc's.

The CG publishes a book called " Navigation Rules" which is updated with minor rule changes often.
However the basic Inland Rules have been in effect since 1980 when the Great Lake Rules, the Western River Rules, the Motor Boat act of 1940 and various pilots rule were pulled together and put in effect December 24, 1981.
The Nav Rules book describes the international rules on the left page and the US inland rules on the right page.
The essential difference is when a vessel in international waters signals with one short blast it means "I AM altering my course to starboard." you aren't asking ,you are doing it.
When a vessel in US inland waters signals with one short blast it means "I INTEND to leave you on my port side." In other words you are going to do it unless you get a Danger signal (five short blasts) from the other vessel.
All the rules in this 215 page book are for the purpose of preventing collisions between vessels.
Sound producing devices such as whistles, bells, gongs, horns, and fog horns, are the required items. The length and type of boat dictates what your specific vessel must have on board, and in workable condition, to be in compliance with Coast Guard regulations.

Boats under 39.4 feet long, need only a horn or whistle (athletic whistles are acceptable).
For instance if you use a whistle be sure you have the wind power to, for instance,
produce a prolonged (four to six second blast) meaning you are leaving the dock followed by three short blasts if you are backing out.

What a pleasant surprise
Since you have been gone, Moj has given me a new nickname of Powder Puff Girl.
The primer is completely gone, the dogbox is all wetsanded to perfection (as well as my left finger prints GONE)!Yes, I am using a block, but the paper covers the side too. Gloves on for the duration. I started wetsanding the hull. It's looking great! And yes...I still like the yellow.
It's snowing here again. Pretty, but you know how fond I am of the cold.
I'm keeping myself busy and everyone else is trying to do the same. I'm missing you.
The Mustang might be half way done by the time you come home.
Thank you for protecting all of us. The kids and I feel safe and secure.
Tell the "guys" hi.
We love you and we miss you!!

eric lavine wrote: came back with recipes of thier food.... I'll pass on the Guam food.

Eric,
What do they eat in Guam??? No pizza huts?
I know he's eating well and enjoying all of the fish. Not to mention the 90 degree temp.and girls in bikini's.

sanity wrote: all wetsanded to perfection (as well as my left finger prints GONE)!Yes, I am using a block, but the paper covers the side too.

Michelle,
Been there many a time. You always know when the water you are using for wet sanding starts to turn pink!!!

John, Keep up the good work. You're in our prayers.