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BuffaloBFN
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What do you guys and gals think when you hear phrases like..."I'm not going to lie to you" or "to be honest"?
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p/allen
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They could very easily be lieing to you .
They may not lie to you but they will the next guy . Are you the next guy ? |
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BuffaloBFN
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I think we all are.
Great to meet you sir! |
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eric lavine
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8 years of the little boy who cried wolf will do that to you.....
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"the things you own will start to own you"
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BuffaloBFN
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C'mon Eric...and that wolf ate a couple of buildings among other things.
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eric lavine
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he didnt mention anything that pissed me off, he is attacking healthcare full steam ahead, with no regulations things tend to get out of hand as proven in the housing crises, no one watches, everyone gets rich.. Healthcare to me is an issue that everyone in this country should be entitled too, especially the elderly,they shouldnt have to dump thier 401's to pay for care. Doctors do pick and choose according to insurance coverage, I dont think its a right, i think it is an entitlement for paying taxes all your life, i at one time payed 18 bucks a week for full coverage and the employer picked up the rest. now i pay out of pocket for bare minimum coverage and the bills roll in..we dont cover this we dont cover that. it turned into a big expense taking money from the monthly budget. with re-form it would be like getting a raise, all the way around for everyone, it should be equal accross the board, this is something you cant control but you can control your own destiny on becoming whoever you want in this country
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BuffaloBFN
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It was great to meet you Eric!
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. |
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eric lavine
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nice meeting you and Amy too, i have no idea what happened to your coozies or the CCF ones i purchased. im just glad i made it out alive.
i didnt tell Randy but he probably is woondering where his shirt is. Come on Greg, we are stuck with him for 4 possibly 8, if the pubs keep acting like little girls |
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BuffaloBFN
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I'll have to give you that one. The pubs don't seem to have much going for them right now.
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harddock
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How about a Public Physician, Like Public defenders. If you need a doctor or medical care and you have insurance you cango to whwt ever doctor your inurance will pay for. If you have no insurance or other means to pay you are apponinted a Public Physician. A qualified doctor willing to work and be paid by the government. This would be cheaper then any of the plans they have suggested currently. 100% of the population would be covered.
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eric lavine
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i always use examples, helthcare in this country is ran as a profitable business. you guys know i own a bodyshop/marine repair, the bodyshop is regulated by the insurance companies the marine business is not. on the auto side they tell us our hourly rate and what they will pay....me as the owner hates that because it is not very profitable but it keeps us inline. on the marine side and you guys know I highly condone good insurance on boats and the reason is its not regulated, the auto side gets 38.50 per hour and everything you do has a time and thats how you get paid. on the marine side the rate shoots up to 85.00 per hour and no time. lets say you hit your prop and it bends the prop, without regulations the engine automatically comes out, damper replaced, new shaft, new prop, rebuild transmission. if it was regulated the bill would have been maybe 1000.00 bucks, with it unregulated the bill all of a sudden is 5000 bucks.....
thats why healthcare needs regulation...btw this was an example lol |
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azeus17
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I HATE the whole entitlement mindset. In my opinion, that is one of the biggest problems in America. To many people think they are entitled to have everything. My wife works at a hospital in the registration and billing area. You would not believe how many people walk in there and claim they are poor and can not afford healthcare, blah, blah, blah, hospital can not turn them away and then go out and drive away in their new Caddy . Some people are legitimatly uncapable of paying, but the thing is, those are the ones that already qualify for Medicare.
Just my opinion here, but I do not think you are entitled to healthcare, have a new car, a free government cell phone, cable tv, or anything else, except national security. That is what our taxes were supposed to be used for. It is time for people to take some responsibility for your own life and quit bitching about what is fair or not fair. I don't care if you are 100 or 20, plan your life accordingly. If BO wants to make healthcare more affordable to individuals, why doesn't he just open up the markets and allow you shop for healthcare nationwide? Make them be a little more competitive. Allow individuals to form groups or pools to get discounts. Tort reform. These are easy, free ways to lower healthcare costs. |
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eric lavine
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Azues, we are way past discounts, it needs regulation, we are paying for the uninsured no matter how you spin it, at times the uninsured poor get better care than the middleclass insured are recieving because its on someone elses tab.
I'll ask you this, if you were BO what would you do? its easy to be part of a problem and point fingers, its not about that, the system has failed creating 46 million uninsured, 14000 more everyday, its turned into a me, me, me society and thats not what its about. healthcare is a necessity not a pleasure such as a boat or car, national security is a necessity...and it has to be viewed that way, its not wheteher its fair or not, its your neihbors...were not talking free healthcare to the world but to our families. thats one area that the economy hasnt affected, healthcare, government jobs, state jobs, so you probably have a nice steady income and you havnt been put into the position of no healthcare.....46 million have, for the people by the people |
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Hollywood
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It means they were previously lying to you. |
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Randy_in_Ohio
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Which shirt am I missing??? I hope you didn't take the one that I accidentally dropped in the toilet! I seen the black coozie on the table not sure where it is now. i'll look around for it |
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Randy_in_Ohio
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I have to agree with Eric on the health care issue. something has to be done, it has gotten out of control. too many people getting too rich off of others misfortunes.
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eric lavine
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green long sleeve one, i look good wearing it lol come to think of it, it was wet and i mixed it in with everything.
those bastards (doctors) at the Cleveland clinic are trained to keep your office visits to 12 minutes, thats not even enough time for a reach around, and a probing |
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BuffaloBFN
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Eric, do you remember what the coozie said?
Don't stress over it Randy and great to meet you. I'm just giving Eric a ration. |
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harddock
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If Obamas healthare plan is good enough for the citizens why won't any of Congress be willing to sign on?
The Government in this country has gotten too strong,stacking the deck for themselves and only interested in winning the next election. In order to change anything we must change the players. If your term is up your out. It would be great if we could get a new Congress and Senate with mandanatory retirement(65) like factory workers, No pension (let them pay into social security like everyone else)buy their own insurance, taxes etc. We would get a better class of canidates. Folks that are in tune with the real world. if money actually came from their pockets they would be alittle more responsible with ours. |
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Randy_in_Ohio
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I didn't have a green long sleeve shirt, it must have been Mike's. It wasn't my gray button down shirt was it? That is one of my favorites... |
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Randy_in_Ohio
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Great meeting you also Greg, I wish we would have had more time to talk. next year. I think the coozie in question was black and said something about a pig ass. not sure, I was foggy that morning... |
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eric lavine
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a family friend recently was diagnosed with esophogas cancer and his wife befriended a Saudi Arabian woman in the waiting area, i guess they got pretty tight and the womans husband was renting the entire floor at the clinic. these people we know are a little down on thier luck and at home here in Lodi Ohio a limo pulled up to her house and the driver handed her an envelope, it had 5k in it, she tried not to accept it but it was dis-respectful if she didnt. true story, he was a prince btw |
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The Lake
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Friends offer hope . . . sometimes it's money, cool story. It was good to meet you Eric. Chuck |
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Riley
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I've got a friend coming to Maine tomorrow. He's a 58 yo doctor and an anybody but Bush guy. I can hardly wait to ask him how he likes being a "basic human rights" provider. I hear he's not nearly as excited about change as he was last year at this time.
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behindpropeller
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Can't agree with you more. Eric is going to be disappointed if BO passes his plans. What if the government supplied ski boats? Do you think they would get better every year because of competition? Think about it. |
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Luchog
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what's the deal with those coozies?
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BuffaloBFN
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We'd end up with competition pontoons. |
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eric lavine
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Tim, i rather be dis-appointed than be as disgusted as i am with todays healthcare, its pitiful.
there is no other way to fix the system other than the government stepping in, its in the private sectors hands and has been turned into a profitable greedy business..i dont like the government running things but it is necessary. its about compassion for other human beings, havnt you noticed a drug store at every corner? im not preaching re-form but there has to be a better way than what is current, we have to try something even if its not popular, i dont know if it will work, you dont know if it will work, but at least the attempt is there and a problem is recognized |
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eric lavine
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were talking 46 million without and rising, there are people that really need healthcare and do not have access to it, thats what bothers me.....
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BuffaloBFN
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Eric, you know gov't regs had a lot to do with the housing and insuance issues we have now.
And that 46 figure can be broken down without a lot of effort. |
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