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MMT
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I just purchased this Ski Tique for $1800. Excellent condition inside and out and new 350 Chevy motor.
Previous owner has already removed the floor and foam. I thanked him. I've done stringer on a '70 Skier, but this is quite a bit different. Gonna have some questions. |
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MMT
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after the new plywood floor is installed do you fiberglass it to the hull?
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critter
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If you foam you need to make the floor waterproof. That means glassing to stringers too.
If you do not foam, it really does not matter. The carpet or vinyl will cover the seams. |
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TRBenj
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You may already know this, but if the floor was rotten and the foam was soaked (which seems to be a given since they were both removed) then Im sure the stringers contain some degree of rot. You would be best off replacing them.
The foam vs. no foam debate has been waged here before. There are pros and cons for each approach. That being said, I disagree with Roger- regardless of whether you foam or not, everything in your power should be done to waterproof all of your structure- both stringers and floor. A healthy dose of CPES/resin before installing, and then a healthy glass schedule over each of them. I would recommend you read, read, read... lots of great threads covering stringer rebuilds here. Theres a lot of info regarding materials, methods, tools and other tips and tricks that may not get repeated. Arm yourself with information! Edit: I reread your specific question and Roger's response and I think I understand what he's saying. His stance was that its not necessary to glass the floor panels to the stringers and hull sides if youre not trying to keep foam underneath it dry. I suppose that has some merit, as that is how the non-foamed boats from the 60's were built. I still disagree with that method though, as the Ski Tique hull (71+) was always built with glass over foam (and thus the floor tied the stringers and hull sides together) so I would recommend doing so when rebuilding, regardless of whether you foam or not. That is the method I plan to use on my '71 Skier rebuild (ply floor, no foam), which has the same hull. |
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in other words, dont put the boat near water
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8122pbrainard
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Kent,
I agree with Tim that the floor should be glassed to the hull sides ether way you go. I'm a no foam guy and would go ply with plenty of CPES and glass on both sides. Epoxy resin of course!! Just as Tim also mentioned, you will need to address the stringers as well. Do not go on the "the engine mount lag bolts don't turn in the stringer" method only. Now that you have purchased the boat, you need to dig further. Keep the pictures coming!! |
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critter
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Right on the money Tim. I was talking with Reip a couple of years ago about one of his older boats with the floor not glassed to the hull. When put in the water, the hull to floor gap lessened. When the boat was removed from the water, that gap seemed to increase a bit with less outside hull pressure. We talked about why but then had another beer and forgot about it. But again, Tim is correct on what I meant in my comments. And always waterproof stringers and floor to prevent future rot as Tim says.... |
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MMT
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Yes I am doing a new full stringer structure, that will be entirely encased in glass. I was leaning toward glassing the floor to the hull, and now I'm sure that I will.
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FLSKIER
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This boat seams to be a 81 or earlier hull.82 has the chines in the rear sides like the 2001 hulls.
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dwcar
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I was wondering the same thing Jody. Good eye!
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MMT
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Yes you are correct. It is an '81. Sorry for the typo.
And no I will not be doing the foam. |
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MMT
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Question...The area in the hull that is painted has a something that looks like bondo between the paint and the glass. do I need to grind this all out back to the reddish glass where new glass will be applied, or can I just grind it back to a fresh surface for the glass/
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8122pbrainard
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Kent,
I suggest grinding it off untill you get close to the glass. It's a filler and it's strength isn't the greatest. |
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MMT
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Wow 4 hours of grinding today and I'm about half done with the stringer area. Not looking forward to grinding out that filler all the way around the hull for the floor.
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MMT
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Stringers rough cut. Fit pretty well. They still need fine tuned after grinding is complete.
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MMT
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I did have to cut out the wood on the transom that the exhause and swim platform bracket bolt to. They were slightly rotted.
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8122pbrainard
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I'm glad you took a look at the transom wood as well. Some don't and will regret it later. The threads here prove you need to address ALL the wood! kent, Look'n good! Don't forget the CPES! |
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I removed and replaced my exhaust and rudder plates on my 67SN. I did not do the center of the transom as the test holes came out looking great. The stuff I did remove was ruined.
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Need some advice fellas? I read most of the posts on stringer jobs but I'm still unsure.
All 4 stringers are epoxyed in. I have 4 and 8 inch cloth, 2 layers of each to build up the fillet in the corners, but my question is what to use to wrap the whole stringer? I bought biax but I've. Read its hard to work with and uses a boat load (no pun) of epoxy. ???????? |
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The Biax is difficult to work with but I think that it is important to
cover the stingers in a continuous sheet of biax for support and protection. As for using a lot of epoxy, that is the case. But if you keep working the overage (runoff) back into the Biax it is not as much lost. |
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TRBenj
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It is, and it does- but its also very strong. Its not fun to work with, but its a good choice for wrapping the stringers. I would fillet the top edges so theyre not so sharp though. |
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Ok sounds good, but that leads me to some other questions. Does the biax stop at the bottom of the stringer or should I wrap it down onto the hull as well? And do the secondy stringers get biax? If not what's recommended for those. Thanks.
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I took my Biax over the 4" and 8" cloth onto the hull. Just seems to
tie everything together. I did the secs the same way. In my case that was needed for floor height to be correct. |
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TRBenj
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I did the same thing as Roger. Each side of the stringer/hull connection got 12" biax tape, and then I wrapped the top of the mains with it. The secondary's only got it on the sides though- I figured no need to wrap the tops since they'll be sealed by the floor.
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Do you guys lay any cloth on the fillet for the secondaries or just biax?
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TRBenj
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Read some of the stringer threads... personally, I wouldnt use any less than 3 layers of mat/cloth on a secondary. My last rebuild got 3 cloth + biax and I plan on reusing that schedule in the future.
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Got my platform and exhaust wood beded on tonight. Next I need need to mix up some peanut butter and put a bigger fillet on the main and secondary stringers.
Can I make the fillet with peanut butter the gently press my first layer of cloth into it then brush with epoxy or should I let the peanut butter set up first? Read most of the stringer threads, but haven't heard of anyone doing it that way. |
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Once your fillet is nice and smooth I would not mess with it till it is kicked. You can try to get your first layers of cloth on there before it is cured so that you still get a chemical bond though. I used a gallon ziploc with the corner cut out to pipe out a bead along the stringer, then shaped it by running the top round edge of a bondo spreader along the joint to create a nice smooth transition.
In this picture you can see where the main is filleted and the secondary is not. |
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Some of these guys have more experience than me, but I laid 2" tape over the peanut butter fillet, and then laid 4" tape over that without waiting for it to set up, and with good results. I made the fillet mixture pretty thick. This method used a lot less resin than when I waited for the fillet and each layer to set up. BKH
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kent,
Keegan and Brian are correct but don't expect any of the resin from the fillet is help saturate the first layer of glass. |
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