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    Posted: November-09-2011 at 8:23pm
Started my stringer project today. my first goal was to get the fuel tank out. pretty simple. hopefully the rest of the project is that easy, though i doubt it will be. i dont even have the seats out yet, but i wanted to get the floor up a little bit just to give myself an idea of what nightmires lay head. sorry for the kinda blurry pics. my phone was all i had.

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under the floor board, drives side








looks like its going to be a fun winter.
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You are on the right track. Get the engine and everything else out before you start cutting the floor out. The dust will be around for months as it is. Have fun with it. I will do another one some day.
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well worked on it more tonight.

pic of the tank, gonna need a new one, rust inside. Links??





motor out







seats out, wow look at what color the carpet USED to be





carpet next







looks like the floor was half assed pieced together. anyone else seen this?







and then the floor was last to go tonight















pretty sure water isnt suppose to seep out of the wood when you press on it.



and got a hint of what the foam is going to be like. gee i cant wait to pull it out.



next time i work on it, goals are going to be getting the side panels, and kick panel(?) out. possibly getting whatever the hell is on top of the foam out as well. looks like a thin layer of fiberglass, if i had to guess. . .
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An option for your fuel tank is to clean it up and use a liner on the inside. Paint the outside.


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i heard of those tank restore kits. first wave cleans all the crap out, the second coats so it wont happen again. part of me says save the money, the other part says, its out replace it. lots of time to decide.
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The tank liner is very common in antique and classic boat restorations. Cars too.


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The same company that makes POR15 also makes the gas tank repair coating. I used it on a project & it works good. Costs about $50, cheaper than a new tank.
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A stray thought; it might be a good idea to soak some teak oil into those step pads if you leave them in place. Epoxy drips turn up in the strangest places.
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What's the best way to.get the glass up between the floor.and the foam? Using a pry bar so far has been a long tedious process.
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Originally posted by Metallman56 Metallman56 wrote:

What's the best way to.get the glass up between the floor.and the foam? Using a pry bar so far has been a long tedious process.


Cut all around the perimeter where the floor meets the hull and stringers and it should come up in large pieces.

See the grinder in the back. I used a diamond wheel.



You can see the line I cut where the floor meets the hull.



The fiberglass floor comes out easily once you have cut around the edges.



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Keegan's restoration turned out fantastic. I admire him undertaking the challenge and doinig his "homework" This included searching and reading plenty of threads on the process. I encourage you to do the same. The existing knowledge base here on CCfan is really unbelievable. People with brands other than a CC come here!

If my memory is correct, I believe it was Joe (inNY) that suggested the diamond blade. Cheap from HF!! I've used them too and they do work great. When you get into the corners, get the Multimaster out. I have the original Fein but as soon as their patent ran out there are plenty of cheap "knock-offs", made in China and not so good units out there.


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very cool thanks for the advice. buying a diamond cut off wheel before i get back in there. this is no doubt a huge job, and tips and tricks i'm sure will make it a little easier.

as far as the planing goes thanks for the advice. i have went through several posts on here about stringers. guess i missed the part about the diamond cut off wheel. when i posted my last post, i was actually at lunch after about 2 hours of screwing with it and thought, there had to be a better way.

more pics to follow, more progress made today. :)
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well firsts things first today, pulling the kick panel.





pics of whats behind it. yikes. anyone need bumpers?







this was on the back side of the trim where the radio goes. thought it was cool. the only sticker i have found thats not on the motor. it reads "international cushion co."





i decided to pull the support for the ski pole next. unreal the pole still worked seeing how much of its support was roted wood.





the rest of my day was spent trying to pull the fiber glass between the floor and the foam. next time i'll have my hands on a diamond cutoff wheel. so hopefully it goes by faster. today was a whole bunch of prying.











really wet foam



once my back started to hurt from forcing the fiberglass up, i decided to stand up and start getting the exposed foam out. we have a shovel that has a regular handle, but a very small spade. it worked perfect. i was amazed at how much water was still there!











and thats how it sits now. i've got about 12 hours in it so far. so not bad i dont think for whats done. now i cant wait to get that cut off wheel. life should be easier. i know its gonna be worth it in the end, but wow its a lot of work. i'm praying i can have it done by may.
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well more work today, about 4 hours total. wow is ther a lot of foam. its one thing to see it in pics, anther to see it, lift it, and smell it. most of the wet foam smells like budwieser farts. pretty gross.





i'm not sure yet if i'm going to take out the section under the dash yet. i looks like a lot more work, and the foam i'm taking out just before it isnt wet.






so far the worst rot i have foud has been the board that the ski pole goes in.





most of the foam is out. small pieces and hard to reach areas are still left. but for the most part, the real bad stuff is gone.







i dont know what i'm scared of more. rewiring, or getting the stringers back perfect so everything lines up exactly how it should. either way, heres the birds nest of wires i have to deal with.



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also i went through your whole post today Keegan. awesome work! i can only hope mine comes out as nice as yours. thats definatly a boat to be proud of!
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are you not saying to yourself, Why the f do they pack this foam in here, wood is for structure, foam is for floating, look at it this way, foam is like the fat in your body, bones are the wood, if either one is missing in your body what would happen?

you know, this brings up a raw subject, im working on a 34 Pachnaga, did the transom and the owner assured me that his 40 year expert had him convinced that the boat was going to snap in half because he has some soft floors midship, he said the engine stringers were in great shape, well it has 2 big block chevy's in there, the L-brackets that hold the engines up were almost at a 45 degree angle becuse of weight and rot, I took pics, I went ahead and gutted the engine cradles and rebuilt, obviously it took as long to do the cradles as it did the transom, so the price went up.
He brought his mouth piece "the wife"
i could turn this into a long story, but anyways, I said look, in 20 some years i have never seen a boat snap in half, in those 20 years I have seen at least 5 engines either laying in the bildge or up on their sides from torque ripped right from the stringers, I went on to explain that he has 2000 lbs of iron concentrated in a small area on rot..
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one more quickie, gotta a 20 ft wellcraft center counsel, guy was thrilled he only paid 15 hundies for it, bought a newer trailer dumped a thousand in it and was paying me to swap trailers. I walk to the back of the boat climb up on the 185 horse that was hanging on it and starting jumping up and down, i thought this thing was going to rip right off the back and the guy was like wtf are you doing to my boat, I look inside and see a big pile of wood chips, complete rot, the transom was bowed so bad you would of thought it was built that way....he wanted me to plate it and i said nope, you can do whatever you want to do with it but i wont be a part of it.
Once agin i had to explain to this guy the forces that are applied to the back of this boat, the boat is about 2000 lbs and you have this engine pushing all of this mass
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sorry for stealing your thunder
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Thanks for the compliment. You have to remove the airbox foam so that you can replace the conduit. The dryer type flex hose cracks and is a major point of water intrusion in most of these older models. Most of the rebuilds use pvc to replace the flex duct.

I did not rewire my boat. Just coil the bundle of wires and zip tie it together and hook it back up when you are done.
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damnit, i really didnt want to take it out. i wonder if i can just cut out the part between the 2 main stringers, run my pvc, and then reglass the part i took out.
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Dont start half assing it already, do it right the first time. cool it has a H/M in it. you should try to find the other manifold for it. good luck!
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not trying to half ass, just trying to work smarter not harder. if it needs to come out it will :)

any link to a h/m exhaust manifold, please let me know. i've been looking for one for about a month now.
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well more progress last night. started to cut into the airbox, and started to defoam. probably the dryest foam so far, but it was still wet.





i do have a question. in all the other stringer replacement forums i have read, it seems like the stringers have stopped somewhere around the battery box. mine however are still going under the dash. i'm starting to get worried about how far they go to the front. it wouldnt be a problem if i had space. but under the bow there almost isnt any. looks like at this point i have no choice but to unfoam them, and try to find the end. i just pray they stop soon.
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On all the flat bottom boats Ive disassembled, the main stringers stop at the air box- theres usually a piece tacked onto the end of the board that helps form the kick panel surface.
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i really hope thats the case. i'll have to cut some more into it before i can really tell.
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look at those boots, must be really wet foam in there

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not that much water, lol. but if i would have stepped in it with my shoes, well wet cold feet really isnt fun
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Those manifolds are really hard to come by, I have 3 great sets but thay are spoken for. 3 H/M powered separators How far from coldwater MI are you?
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less then 90 miles.
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