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Gm on Zinc in motor oil! Take a look,, Some guy named Rat.. Has some real good stuff,, Testing of motor oil and stuff.. Up to date stuff.. Funny thing he rated Pennzoil 10w 30 tops in his test? Other than that it might be worth your time to check that board out.. SPEEDTALK.com... He seems legit too, |
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Posted: April-15-2013 at 2:46pm |
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10w-30..pennzoil Ultra that was..got the highest test rating...
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Posted: April-15-2013 at 4:59pm |
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but Linda it says that the old used oil protects more than new oil and you change yours at 25-30 hours???? OMG!
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Posted: April-15-2013 at 7:52pm |
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yes... That is when it is changed... Did you see the site I posted? My brother has been chatting with him about this...
This guy claims running anything higher than say 10w40 is a not so good thing for the motor... He seems to really be on his game about this stuff... |
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Posted: April-15-2013 at 7:59pm |
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Go to the site and look for the guy called 540 RAT---- He seems like no fool to me! Just not tossing out stuff.. Has done test to many oils,,
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Posted: April-15-2013 at 8:04pm |
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Do you think the guys here are not on their game?
I'd trust Pete over "Rat" any day. I did look at it and I'm as unimpressed as some of the commenters there. Something he does not address is why oil companies put these additives in the oil in the first place. Should we believe that the engineers at the major oil companies would be adding additives(cost) that was not needed? |
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Posted: April-15-2013 at 8:15pm |
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I never said-you guys do not know your stuff. You all seem well schooled.
The Rat is not selling anything. Just doing what he does ,from reading his post. His claim is that, there have been certain stuff added to the newer oils that have replaced the high need for zinc.. claiming boosting the level of zinc, does NOT mean better protection. There is way too much stuff he has said, for me to even hope to relay back to you...Way over my head too.. So to clear the record here- You guys do know your stuff. This Rat person,seems to be some sort of oil guy, test and stuff. Just trying to gather info... |
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Posted: April-15-2013 at 8:28pm |
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Can you spell "Snake oil"...........
Lotta info out there, so I guess it must be true, if you read it on the Web......... This site is a good place to start your search for oil info and what we choose to pour into our engines........Boat dr |
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Posted: April-15-2013 at 8:38pm |
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SNAKE OIL?-------------------The person is selling NOTHING on that site.
He has test results and other info as well.. I am not here to get into a urination contest,,, you guys win that hands down..lol... HE IS SELLING NADA>>>>>>ZIPPO---NOTHING____ I am not her to contest what you guys use either.. I thought that he had some real good info--- |
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Posted: April-15-2013 at 8:44pm |
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Boatdr... Is this site not on the web as well? So now where are we?
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Posted: April-15-2013 at 10:15pm |
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Lin,
When the first talk about ZDDP was discussed on site, I ran the ZDDP question past our lubricant supplier (metal stamping) at work. He blends his own oils and the first thing he said was there is nothing to date (as of 6 months ago) that replaces the lubricity of zinc compounds. I have a feeling Mr. rat hole is not thinking flat tappet. BTW, I have seen first hand what these new oils do to a cam. |
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Posted: April-15-2013 at 11:20pm |
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Ok people The "Oil Subject" Is a hot button on many forums, And everybody has there own opinion. But don't go to a car forum and look for boat advice. This sight has some of the best minds for all things Correct Craft. But that is just my opinion
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Dont Hate "ACCELERATE!"
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Posted: April-15-2013 at 11:20pm |
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Look I am not here to get people fired up!
I like you a lot, and you are very helpful,in all matters.. He did talk flat tappets....If you would like to see who and what he is saying.. then go to the site and check it out.. Very informative, well written... He ran test with many oils.. explains stuff. You are a smart man. I can tell. so you would have to check it out, yourself... |
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Posted: April-15-2013 at 11:25pm |
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well is not the engines in these puppies like a car motor ,except they have been marinized?
same yes? maybe load is diff than a car.. More friction pushing water then wheels on a road,, yes.. Seemed like he was very well skilled in his talk.. Just saying... |
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Posted: April-15-2013 at 11:51pm |
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This is true, but there is a core group here that will do more than exchange info.......
Some will show up Saturday to show you how to do it correctly. "First we learn to do it, then we learn to do it RIGHT" |
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Posted: April-16-2013 at 12:27am |
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To add the Boat Dr's comments... then they teach you how to avoid their misstakes. This is a great site with very knowledgable folks. I want to say thanks!!!
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Posted: April-16-2013 at 12:31am |
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“Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.”
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Posted: April-16-2013 at 2:01am |
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didn't even bother with the site, but I can vouch that Penz Ultra did finish first among all synthetic oils tested for shear protection(wear)and sludge resistanace in both last year's SAE, penzoil's own inhouse, and Ferrari Testing Labs tests. I'd have to dig around but I think I may even ahve the Ferrari results(I was present for the track testing part). However, this was for 5w-30 specifically, but I'd expext similar results with the 10w.
Gotta remember boat engines see more load than car engines do and operate under different cooling dynamics. in a car I would 100% agree anything over 10-40 is harmful or at the very least power-robbing for new automotive engines. With the tolerances today, especially in deactivated cylinder setups, thick oil plays havoc on systems. |
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Posted: April-16-2013 at 2:40am |
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Do you have a clue what you were trying to say, foot, cause I sure as hell don't. Very few of us here own Ferrari, and most could care less about their results with sythetics.
Give us real time knowledge of what works best in our antique flat tappet motors. If you can do this please share , if not keep reading, you may learn something, this should get interesting.........Boat dr |
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Posted: April-16-2013 at 11:41am |
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lol-- I see that---
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Posted: April-16-2013 at 11:53am |
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Ok Mr Pete... Now lets place the zddp to the side for now..
In the owners manual.. PCM.. They say either 10w30 or 10w40, I know oil has changed 10 fold since,,, That being said, the weight has remained the same ,YES? I am not here to dis you... Just would like your input as to why the 50? What benefits are to be expected? I understand the 20w= winter flow cold temps outside.. correct? So are you saying that the 50 is better because of the load on these engines? Ty |
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Posted: April-16-2013 at 12:50pm |
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Sheeezz Billy, easy on the fungi, he's just sharing info and Im really not sure what didn't make sense, seemed pretty clear to me??
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Posted: April-16-2013 at 12:55pm |
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I have noticed if you go against the grain on here, be ready... Some very intense cats looking for mice...LOL
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Posted: April-16-2013 at 1:14pm |
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Sorry dude, not looking for mice. But I am willing to share a bit of my marine knowledge with anyone. If you are offended by my posting,SORRY....
There are a few of us here that have seen the results of "modern oils" in flat tappet motors, if you choose to learn on your motor , so be it, but there is a kinder softer way ... There is such a thing as too much info. |
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Posted: April-16-2013 at 1:26pm |
Excuse me , I thought we were speaking of marine engines , with "old school flat tappet cams"..Modern day roller motors have oil issues also,hence the many choices that are available . My tip for today is "be informed" not only with the printed word, but in asking others what worked for them. |
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Posted: April-16-2013 at 1:45pm |
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If we let the professionals do everything it takes all the fun out of youtube
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Posted: April-16-2013 at 1:57pm |
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ok I see one that looks not so good... Any story behind this?
Like oil ,what type. all that?ty |
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Posted: April-16-2013 at 1:59pm |
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Posted: April-16-2013 at 2:01pm |
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ok ok ok What is the story behind this? How many hrs on the engine? What type of oil? Please,, ty again!
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Posted: April-16-2013 at 2:14pm |
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Doc’s got it
Oil weight isn’t a big deal. The big deal IS flat tappet cams. The cam is cast (soft metal) then SURFACE hardened .010 in (ish) The valve spring MAINTAINS pressure on the tappet/cam surfaces of 50 / 200 psi when the valve is closed/open ZDDP / phosphorous is a high pressure additive that Is needed so the cam doesn’t wear through the THIN surface hardening . Clear as mud now? |
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