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samudj01
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Posted: February-27-2017 at 12:05am |
Below is the original post to this thread. Unfortunately the site was hacked and all picutures lost. Happy to send detailed pics to anyone looking at this thread with questions. Below see pics of before: And After: First up will be the engine and the trailer. Engine popped the freeze plugs in 2013 so we are on pins and needles as to engine...anyone know a good correct craft engine shop around the Carolinas? We are going to soak her this week and put a bar on it next weekend just to be cautious. 302 Commander. Otherwise I am very pleased with the boat. New floor and carpet, solid mounts, and from what I can see, all parts there. Trailer has a little left to be desired but it trailered well on the trip home at 65 mph. Pics follow (people in pics are seller and son). Realize now that I didn't get any interior shots. Those to come. And to all, Fram is on there. Don't worry, will change. Thoughts? Let me know what you see is askew. Questions: Oil and filter...same as my GT40? Anyone with pics of where these freeze plugs are? |
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78 Ski Tique, 72 Skier w/302's, 93 SN w/351 & 17 GS22 w/zr409
Previous - 99 Sport Nautique w/GT40 and 87 Martinique w/351 |
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IAughtNaut
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Very cool. let me know if you are looking for an assistant who doesn't know what he's doing.
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Hollywood
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Pretty engine and boat. We will get you running again.
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storm34
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Nice purchase! Freeze plug isn't the end of the world (hopefully) just inspect closely for cracks.
Trailer looks like it could be brought back to original with the help of some Tim Benjamin fenders and a bow stop! Wix 51515 for the filter. |
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MrMcD
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Very Nice!
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8122pbrainard
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David,
Nice find! Good luck on the engine. I sure hope it's OK. For oil, I suggest 20-50 with a good ZDDP content like Valvolene VR1. All the gel chips on the chines and stem are a pretty easy fix with a gel kit. FYI, the cotter on the prop nut is bent the wrong way. The one leg of the cotter gets bend over a nut flat and the other can be cut short or bent length wise parallel to the shaft. It's a very common mistake. Keep us posted on the engine. |
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NCH20SKIER
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Another 16 footer for the Badin Lake event
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samudj01
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So quick order of near term events to come. Let me know if and where I am off:
-tonight. Pour a couple oz atf in each plug. Let soak til weekend -detailed visual inspection of block for cracks -put new freeze plugs in (any explanation on this process and placement?). I plan to look for the holes, feel around them for issues and then put the new plugs in and tighten. -weekend, turn engine with bar (there is an arrow on the main wheel, no?) -check water pump impeller. Plan to replace before trying to start in the future -if it turns (how many turns to get oil around?), hook up battery and compression test if the starter works and the wiring is ok? Or should we be looking to drive the oil pump with a drill. I read about this in the latest promo thread, although this engine has run more recent. Oil visually looks good on the dipstick. Should we change it before any of this process? Or change it after we test the block? |
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78 Ski Tique, 72 Skier w/302's, 93 SN w/351 & 17 GS22 w/zr409
Previous - 99 Sport Nautique w/GT40 and 87 Martinique w/351 |
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TRBenj
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As I told David, the trailer looks to be quite a bit older than the boat. 4-lug hubs, raised coupler, early guide post style and cross members that don't extend at all (front) or minimally (rear) past the angle where the fenders are mounted. It would have had curved fenders on it originally, the square ones would have nowhere to mount. I'd be putting a cc-style bow stop on it in any case- either low or high style would be a big improvement over what's on there now.
Let us walk you through the engine... this is going to predate most marine mechanics expertise. You'll get better advice here. |
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81nautique
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That looks like a nice clean starting point and I love the early yellow Tiques/Nautiques. Well Done!
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ScottZ
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Nice find!
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Scott Zuelzke
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quinner
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Well David it starts out all innocent, you buy your first Correct Craft and tell your wife this will be great for the family. Pretty soon 1 just isn't enough, you find yourself obsessively searching Craigslist for just a little something to spice things up, next thing you know you are towing home a Tique, after some polish and wrenching you need more, pretty soon adding a Promo just isn't taking away the edge, before you know it you are strung out on Mustangs yet still trying to score another Skier, eventually your yard will be filled with trailers and boat hulls will be hanging from trees in your yard.
Welcome to the multi CC family!! |
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Riley
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We picked up our '78 2 years ago with the same situation. The freeze plugs are along the sides of the block above the oil pan. Some of them are tough to get at because stuff is in the way. We bought some rubber compression plugs which were easier to install so we could get it running in the driveway.
Quinner's correct. It is a sickness, especially those decent looking fixer uppers like yours. I hope you have good luck and no freeze damage! |
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samudj01
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Thanks to all for the replies. The seller handed me some rubber stoppers with nuts in the end, both in original packaging and two brass discs (assume these were the original plugs). Which to use? The rubber ones look like no explanation needed. Explain the brass if I should use them. I'll take pics tonight of the choices.
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Previous - 99 Sport Nautique w/GT40 and 87 Martinique w/351 |
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8122pbrainard
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How to install block core plugs aka: freeze plugs
Bruce is correct. you may nee to remove things like the manifolds to replace the plugs. Rubber to me is temporary and very back yard. When you get it running, take the time to get the brass installed. |
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Riley
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The rubber is fine to get it running in the driveway. No sense taking the time to do it the "right way" if the block is cracked.
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TRBenj
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Manifolds won't be in the way, but the starter might be (usually it's the rear plugs that pop). Mounts may block access if it's a front plug for some strange reason. Agree with Pete, use the brass if you have enough access to tap them with a hammer (and large socket). I've gotten lucky in the past once or twice when the core plugs popped and prevented further freeze damage... obviously that isn't always the case. Hope it is this time though!
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NCH20SKIER
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I have had success utilizing a hardwood dowel / broom handle when installing the freeze plugs.
Keep the paddle out of it |
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Donald80SN
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David,
Great looking boat, and nice find. I figured your next one would be a large Vee Drive for the family. Please do not call them freeze plugs, they are casting plugs. Now I feel better. Donald |
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1980 Ski Nautique SOLD Back to Cypress Gardens
2002 Sport Nautique, GT-40, FCT2, Cover Sports, Tower Bimini, Inc., Wet Sounds Audio System, Star Gazer Wake Edition S. 1968 Ski Nautique, Project. |
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MrMcD
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When tapping a freeze plug into a tight space I have used a socket as already mentioned but I added a 6 inch extension and knocked it in with the extension and a hammer.
Choose a socket that fits the freeze plug well so it knocks it in without deformation. Make sure the freeze plug hole is clean and free of rust so you get a good seal and don't distort your new plug on install. It does not take a large hit to knock a freeze plug in. Knock them in just till flush with your block. I usually put a thin coat of gasket sealant around the hole in the block to fill any small nicks or possible leak paths before installing the plug. Since these are a metal to metal seal any scratch in the block can be a leak path. If you make a mistake and the plug is knocked in crooked it can leave a leak path. I would start over with a new plug. For $2. it is not worth risking a leak. |
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Hollywood
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They are core print plugs Donaldo
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MartyMabe
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David
Marty here. What you forget about me? I like road trips too! Give me a call or email and I'll help you out. |
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samudj01
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Not to worry. I have to get my direct drives while I can. Ridgely has been asking about a vdrive for a while. Will get a 210 someday to replace the sport I guess. Sad, but my plan is to have at least one or two other direct drives as dad's ski boats. This is a step in that direction. Just hope she runs again.
And Marty, I didn't forget about you...mentioned you to Jesse yesterday as we were looking at the decals that are missing or in rough shape. Jesse and I have been talking about a project boat for a while. Our wives are worried it will be a time sink. We have reassured them that it WILL be. |
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Previous - 99 Sport Nautique w/GT40 and 87 Martinique w/351 |
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Donald80SN
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Hollywood, correction noted. I do realize you are an Engineer for a Metal Casting Company, or something in that industry. I am sure you do know what you are taking about. I am just trying to keep David out of trouble. Speaking of trouble, David you may inspect that fuel line to the carb. It is hard to see from the photo and it actually looks like two tubes running side by side. Make sure the line handling the fuel is solid metal and not rubber. |
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1980 Ski Nautique SOLD Back to Cypress Gardens
2002 Sport Nautique, GT-40, FCT2, Cover Sports, Tower Bimini, Inc., Wet Sounds Audio System, Star Gazer Wake Edition S. 1968 Ski Nautique, Project. |
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samudj01
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There are two tubes. A clear rubber tube that runs the entire length and a metal tube that runs to the carb. Note in the pic that where the metal goes to the carb it bends the 90degree turn with a thick black rubber hose with hose clamps to the carb and to the metal tube.
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Previous - 99 Sport Nautique w/GT40 and 87 Martinique w/351 |
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samudj01
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Why can't I quick reply from my iPhone? Also, how to post pics from iPhone?
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78 Ski Tique, 72 Skier w/302's, 93 SN w/351 & 17 GS22 w/zr409
Previous - 99 Sport Nautique w/GT40 and 87 Martinique w/351 |
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TRBenj
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Can't and can't. Or at least I don't know how. Photobucket for the latter. That engine is so clean I completely overlooked the Edelbrock. Fine on Chryslers but I'd be searching for a 450cfm Holley marine unit with a proper metal fuel line. Not before getting the engine running (probably), but I'd put it on the list. |
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samudj01
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Is the edlebrock stock? Is it an issue or is the Holley just preferred?
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78 Ski Tique, 72 Skier w/302's, 93 SN w/351 & 17 GS22 w/zr409
Previous - 99 Sport Nautique w/GT40 and 87 Martinique w/351 |
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Gary S
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I don't think an Edlebrock marine carb was used on anything originally. Holley's and Quickfuel's are preferred,(the Holley's being oem) but some people particularly on other sites like them. If it works for you,you can leave it.
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Sounds like you're starting a self-help group! Correct Craft's Anon!
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