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Mojoman
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Posted: October-04-2006 at 3:24pm |
OK, it seems like there is no perfect tool for adjusting the shaft packing, and it has been brought up to get a "Ford" wrench because it has a smooth, no toothed grip. What does this thing look like, so I can go and tool up my own and sell it to Skidim ???
Mine is chewed all the hell from the PO.. There has to be a better way then pipe or monkey wrenches... Moj' |
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jon4pres
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I used a large cresent wrench and a large pair of chanel locks.
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GottaSki
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Consider making some short-handled wrenches from Aluminum bar stock.
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jimbo
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I've used a combination of a BIG cresent wrench, big channel locks and a pipe wrench. The best I've found is two pipe wrenches. I bet the chewed up nut is the result of too small a pair of channel locks.
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Mojoman
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This is what I mean.. There are several favorite tools to adjust the packing. I can tool a forged wrench no problem if I get an idea of the perfect tool you'd want to use...
Suggestions..?? Moj' |
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marks
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How about using an adjustable slip nut wrench.
http://www.idealtruevalue.com/servlet/the-55343/Detail |
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bkhallpass
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I believe Mojo is asking what would the perfect tool look like, if it existed. I think he owns a casting or forging business. BKH
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79nautique
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how fancy do you want to get dave? That's if you want to make a special purpose built tool?
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jbear
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Dave; If you make a special tool, I'll buy one.
I need a new tool for my packing as well. john |
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Jim_In_Houston
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I could say all kinds of things about jbear's post but for the sake of good taste I will not.
My packing nut is only hand tight - go figure. |
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jbear
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Thanks for the respect J_I_H. No more speedo jokes from here.
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what size is the does the hex have to be?
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Mojoman
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Yes, Brian is correct I run a company that specializes in metal O.E.M. parts. I can make the perfect tool for this if I know what to make. What I mean by this is if there is a perfect tool or tools for this job, I can get it done. Since it certainly seems like there's nothing like this sold, I could draw it up and send it in for review and quotation.
79', JBear, offer away, what would be your answer for a tool to adjust the packing nuts.. Moj' |
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79nautique
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basicly what you need are two tools or a tool that does both. One a mini pipe wrench to hold the collar and another ractheting type wrench for the packing nut. Let me take a look at the packing gland on the old hull at my friends house I'm heading there today anyway and I thing it's still there an hasn't been striped off of it already. Now Dave you might have to pay royalities or buy the design if your going to patten it and ma$$ produce it, that is if you like the design I come up with haven't design anything in a couple months so that while be a good fresher coarse for board work since I don't have a cadd package to use and hate autocad lite.
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Morfoot
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Hey Moj, A ford wrench is all I use on my shaft packings. I have two of them from working on airplanes for the last 15 years. I used them on fuel lines and hydraulic lines on the big engines. Anyway bottom line is "google it" Type in ford wrench and the first website at the top of the list shows you a great picture of one and an option to to order it. I just looked on ebay and they have several. Even have the ford script writing on them (hince the name I guess, kinda like allen wrench). They work great. No need to go to alot of trouble in designing one.
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Mojoman
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Buy the royalties or patents to what Chris? I'm not sure I follow you.. Our tool division makes millions of open ended box wrenches. There is no protection on design of an open ended wrench.. Isn't that all we need to do here (well that is if CC used like size packing nuts over the years). Why the need for an adjustable wrench at all, they just chew up the bra$$... Hell these wrenches don't even need to be forged and heat treated, I can make a stamped steel, zinc plated wrench to perform the function of snugging up the packing and jam nut. Tensil strength really isn't needed here right?..
Morfoot, Thanks for the reference on the "Ford" wrench.. @$26 bucks for one, I'd be able to see you a set of 5 open end wrenches.. Again, isn't that utopia here? (using a wrench made to the correct OD of the nut)? Something simple, inexpensive, etc... Moj' |
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79nautique
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Dave I was jurking you a little but was thinking of a little more complexed tool.
as I see it you need something to hold the collar has you loosen the jam nut then tighten the packing nut. Never realy had an issue with using a pipe wrench and large channel locks, just use the right pressure and you don't cut up the bra$$ when it doesn't slip. |
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Darrel
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I recently switched to the "gortex" packing from DIM. Hand tight and no drips or heat. I gotta agree w/ 79, it doesnt need that much pressure on the jam nut to snug down the hand tight packing nut. Is anyone putting the safety wire back on? Big channel locks and a pipe wrench works for me.
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Mo: Your on the right track with a Ford wrench
If you don't know what a Ford wrench is then you'll never know you ever needed one in the first place, so just keep on using your pipe wrench. For that matter, a chisel and a hammer will get the job done too. |
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JJ's seein' it right.
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jimbo
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I googled "Ford wrench"...that's a monkey wrench!
You could make a fixed size stamped steel wrench but I doubt you would sell many. You've got a limited market. Plus, I don't know but I would guess the nuts are larger on the 1-1/8" dia shaft compared to the 1". With that said, it would definately be cheaper for someone that does not have pipe wrenches or large channel locks lying around. Maybe in addition to selling them to DIM and the like, you could sell them to Correct Craft and other inboard manufactures to include in a kit. Maybe instead of stamped steel you could make the wrenches out of polypropylene or something along those lines. You can mold the tool to the right thickness so that it slips off the nut at the right torque to prevent over-tightening. I still wouldn't buy one, I'm happy with two pipe wrenches. And I second the Gortex packing and will eventually switch to a drippless seal. Just my thoughts. |
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WackyWillie
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Here's one in good shape on ebay item #120038384657 for a couple bucks. This stupid little wrench will open to about 5 inches like a crescent wrench will. No need to buy new. Go get it boys
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JJ's seein' it right.
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GrandSlam
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Try tapping the little nut on the edge first with a hammer to knock it loose before you go wrenching, I have used that method to budge mine that were corroded from salt water, then I just use channel lucks, the Jersey has 2” shafts so must other wrenches would not fit. I eventually got tired of drippy logs and water in the bilges and replaced with PYI’s PSS. Jerry
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8122pbrainard
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Seafit makes a adjustable packing nut wrench. West marine #290280 at about $10.00
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2fat2ski
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I bought 2 of the adjustable packing gland wrenches from West Marine about 6 years ago and use them all the time on customer's boats. They work FANTASTIC! Everyone should have a couple in their tool boxes. They make a sometimes frustrating job go rather easy. I throw them in my small tool box and go to the lake and adjust the packing on the water. Once the drips stop. I come back to the shop and safety wire the nuts together with stainless safety wire.
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8122pbrainard
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The packing nut wrenchs are the only way to go especially if you are trying to get through one of the small round access plates in the floor. The other thing is you don't end up with nuts looking like they have been chewed on by a bronze beaver! You guys with the pipe wrenchs, chisels, and hammers, do you also use channel locks and pliers on decorative nuts? Pete
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Mojoman
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Thanks for all the info.. I'll Check out what West Marine has.. I was just looking to see if someone actually made a wench for this specific purpose..
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Will you post the telephone number or web address for West Marine please.
Thank you.. Brad |
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Randy_in_Ohio
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This does look like a great tool.
Packing Nut Wrench Like pete said, if your trying to go through the access hole it would be perfect. But at $13.00 each + shipping, I'm going to continue to use my big adjustable wrench and big chanel locks. worked good for me before, just have to be carefull |
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bkhallpass
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Oh come on Randy. We're talking about the chance to buy a new tool for no other reason than because we can. Go for it. BKH |
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