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    Posted: March-22-2024 at 6:54pm
Anyone have the part number to the starter solenoid up at the ECU? I don't have access to the GT40 manual at the moment. My is buried… looks like it'll be fun to replace;-)
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Nautique Parts has the standard and "heavy duty".  The link below is for the heavy duty:

https://nautiqueparts.com/solenoid-starter-relay-heavy-duty/

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Whatever solenoid you buy, (PCM's original part number is R130001), you should

Take pictures of the cleverly hidden wiring mess before you start

Make a drawing telling you what wires came from which terminals, since the picture may not be the easiest thing to show what goes where with the clutter around the solenoid.

And........don't put much faith in the incomplete generic NautiqueParts picture above

With a gt40 you have a few more wires than the picture shows and it can be really confusing

Here's a link to an old thread about the wiring and in that thread, (second post from the end), is a link to a PCM manual showing the wiring to the solenoid page MT16 of the manual


It's not much fun at all changing that solenoid  Wink
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Thanks for the intel Keno. I appears that once I can move the ECU mount out of the way I'll have reasonable access. How much slack in the harness will determine how much room I have to work with. Here are the pics of my ECU install...






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Probably worth mentioning, for anybody saying something like "my ECM, breakers and relays aren't mounted like that" that your pictures are of a gt40 in a Hydrodyne  Wink
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Shhhhhh Keno, was trying to fly under the radar here ;-) 
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But................they were such a nice boat  Wink
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Here's a diagram I drew or scribbled or whatever  Wink


The "s" and "i" are labeled on the solenoid itself.

Any wires where I didn't mention wire sizes are small like 14 or 16 gauge.

It's different than the wiring on a mid 70's 351W for example
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Perfect Keno. HD Solenoid on its way. PHX and LAX this week. So a Saturday project :-) 
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Not difficult, but time consuming because of access. The angle plate gets unbolted, then the CB's get taken off so you can gain better access to unbolt the relay FROM the interior of the plate, so you can swap it out. Then it's plug and play. 

With that said, I KNOW I did NOT disconnect this beast, coming from the main harness, starboard side, and the corrosion and dirt on the press fit would indicate it's been sitting around. Test port for the Rotunda? Haven't pulled up the diag. yet.

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Ok, the relay did the trick, as I suspected. Thanks to KENO and JQ for the pics. Next project is fabricating a bow-filler cushion ;-) But on the water first! Thanks gang.
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Greetings. It looks like this is the closest scenario I can find to discuss my electrical issues on a 95 SN. Who's up for the challenge?
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Originally posted by Feyer Feyer wrote:

Greetings. It looks like this is the closest scenario I can find to discuss my electrical issues on a 95 SN. Who's up for the challenge?

I'd guess that if you post about your issue, at least one person would try to help Wink

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Thank you for the interest.
Last Fall I went to launch and needed a jump to get the boat started. I realized that I left the Ignition Breaker "ON". From there, it was a normal day until I went to turn the key to "OFF" and the engine kept on running. The Safety Switch next to Throttle was ineffective in killing the engine, so I went to the distributor wire and that shut it down. Since then, I replaced the key switch (Red wire to B, Purple wire AND Lavender wire to I, and Yellow/Red to S) and  replaced the 20amp Ignition Breaker.
This did not fix the issue.
I did notice that every time I connected the battery during this process, I heard a buzz at the rear of the engine.
This brought me back there to replace the Starter Relay. Upon that replaced, I still hear the buzz as I connect the battery and now the Ignition light is on next to the Ignition Breaker (whether it is In or Out) and the Engine Warning Light is on. I took the key ignition switch completely out of the system and these symptoms continue. With that, at the wires that go to the key ignition switch am getting 12V at the Purple and Lavender wires and 0V at the Red wire. All of these symptoms occur with the key position in off and key out of the switch.
However, the Safety Switch is now operable as the lights go off when clip is removed.
I'm chasing a ghost here. Could be I added/missed a wire when I swapped the key switch? Could be I installed the Starter Relay incorrectly ? Thoughts? Suggestion? I thank you all in advance.
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Does the boat have a gt40 multipoint injection engine, a ProTec Throttle body injection engine, a distributor and carburetor or a carburetor and the ProTec ignition?

By tour description, it sounds like the key switch is wired right.

With the ignition breaker on the dash in the "on"  position, you should have the little light next to the breaker lit.

A short Red wire connects the ignition breaker to th "B" terminal , so you should have 12 volts at the "B" terminal on the key switch....0 volts on the "I" and "S" terminals on the key switch with the key switch in OFF.

It doesn't sound like that's what you have, but at least that's what it should be as a place to start with the problem.

The solenoid wiring will depend on what engine you have
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I'm running the GT40 Pro Boss 351W Fuel Injected.
My Ignition light stays on the moment I connect +battery with the breaker in AND out. Somehow I'm getting 12v to the Purple and Lavender wire and not the Red (B) wire. Something is backwards.
Should I be hearing a buzz at the rear of the engine when I connect the +battery? I'd expect to hear that only after I hit the ignition breaker and turn key to first position.
FWIW I've not tried to start the engine since the new starter relay was installed....
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I'll double check the orientation of the new starter relay posts vs the OEM. That might be where this coming from. As I wired it, I simply did one post at a time. Hmmm
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While you're at the back of the engine checking the starter relay wiring, this would be a good time to see if either the fuel pump relay or ECM relay is making the buzzing noise you're hearing. They're right next to each other and kinda in your way when you're working on the solenoid

The 2 relays are exactly alike and you need 2 good ones to make the engine run.

Swapping one for the other isn't gonna tell you much and if one is bad, the engine won't run

You can get the relays at most any auto parts store. You ask for a Standard Motor Products RY 241 relay or an Echlin AR 174 relay or anything that cross references to those numbers. The PCM part number is R130011A but the others work just fine

It's always a good thing to have a couple good spares around for "troubleshooting" or to make your engine run again WinkIt could also be one of your fuel pumps running when it's not supposed to. 

Both are on the left rear of your 1995 that didn't have a fuel cell like the later GT40 engines

One of the relays or pumps has a good chance of being the noise you hear


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I'll dig into that. To be specific, the buzz I hear is only for a total of (1) second as if the engine is priming up ready to turn upon my turning of the key. But will check those while I am into it.
Thank you for the past information. It's greatly appreciated
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Originally posted by Feyer Feyer wrote:

I'll dig into that. To be specific, the buzz I hear is only for a total of (1) second as if the engine is priming up ready to turn upon my turning of the key. But will check those while I am into it.
Thank you for the past information. It's greatly appreciated

You’re sure you’re not hearing the fuel pump priming? It runs for about a second at key ON. Solenoid does not get activated until you go to key START.
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That might be what I am hearing. Again, I should be hearing that when the key is turned to it's first position, not when I connect the battery with key OFF and removed from switch. Something is wired backwards as I am getting 12v on the Purple and Lavender at the key switch and not from the Red.
I need to double triple check my recent start relay wiring.

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Here's another diagram that shows more than just the solenoid. It may be helpful


It seems like your original "it won't turn off "issue happened way back when you got the jump start though, before replacing anything and having a chance to wire things right or wrong.

After hearing back on the wiring checks, I nay have something for you to do, but we'll wait on that for now Wink

PS.... I'll predict that you have all the wires hooked up right
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I appreciate your confidence in my work ( if you only knew the stupid things I've done).
Dumb question, are the start relays all oriented the same way? i.e, if I get the yellow/red on the correct post (S) then everything clockwise is as shown on the wiring diagram as shown?
I'll be on this project again this Friday.
Just for kicks, does anyone know of a dash wiring diagram out there for a 95 SN?
Thank you all for your contributions to my challenge!
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Originally posted by Feyer Feyer wrote:

 if I get the yellow/red on the correct post (S) then everything clockwise is as shown on the wiring diagram as shown?


Short answer.......Yes

But what I think you should do, that'll take maybe 5 minutes is to unhook the green excitation wire from the back of your alternator, hook up the battery and see if the pumps prime or you hear nothing happening.

No noise or priming would mean that your alternator kinda "took a hit" on the jump start.

After the jump start, with the engine running it would make your engine run with the key off and with the kill switch removed and you'd have to pull the coil wire to kill it because the alternator is backfeeding the ignition system.  Sound familiar?.

With the battery disconnected like you have it now,  when you hook up the battery, with the green wire hooked up it would be backfeeding battery voltage from the alternator to the ignition system purple wire and making the pumps prime for a second or 2 like when you turn the key to the Run position

That would mean an internal diode failed and even without the alternator running it feeds voltage into the excitation wire and that wire is hooked to the purple ignition wire

So. a lot of words to say .....unhook that green wire , hook up the battery and see what happens.

With the wiring verified to be right, then you should be able to turn the key, have the boat start and be able to turn it off with the key, but your alternator wouldn't do any charging..

I hope that's your problem (and that would mean you didn't screw up any wiring) Wink

But you'll need a new or rebuilt alternator.

I've had this happen with a couple of alternators over the years and it's kinda spooky when the engine is still running and the key is removed and in your hand 



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Thank you Doctor! I'll advise of my findings. Stay tuned....grab some popcorn.
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Going back in time, prior to the new starter relay and after the new key switch installed, this is something I tore into. In fact I had the alternator disconnected and COMPLETELY out of the boat. At that time, I started the engine and it kept running even without the alternator installed. I went to the safety kill switch and it had not effect. Now, at that time I wasn't paying attention to any of the dash  (Ignition and Engine Light) to see if those were lit up upon battery connection. Again, the only thing that would kill this beast was to pull the distributor wire. And, with alternator removed, it still made that (1) second buzz sound when battery was connected. To clarify, this was AFTER new ignition key switch installed and BEFORE start relay replaced. I'm still going to verify my wiring per your schematic, however my removal of the alternator may have covered your "green wire" theory.
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I'd say you definitely had the alternator disconnected and covered the green wire theory Wink

I guess you can verify things and in the meantime I'll be doing some thinking , I have my big bag of popcorn






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