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Pete,
The 'glass work was done after the wood had started rotting. It was the PO's attempt to repair the damage.

As for boats , heres a couple pics of Daves 49 Century he just sold.





And a pic of a Speedliner he just got done last year... btw, I think this might be for sale?
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Greg, Not really that "dry". About 10%. Moisture content of wood has frustrated boat builders for centuries just because wood is so dynamic with the changing seasons. If I'm working on a boat in the winter in a heated area, I will humidify the space. I've seen boats built without space between the planking that will look fantastic out of the shop in spring and then with the humidity of the summer swell to the point of pulling screws out of the frames. It is the width and not the length of a board that will grow the most so in the case of this Century with the single plank it won't be a problem. Also with it 5200'd to the fiberglass deck, it will stabilize it.

This movement of wood is also why the new modern clear coat finishes don't work. They are simply too hard and will not move like the good old Spar varnishs will. There are attempts being made to modify synthetic clear coat that can be sprayed but haven't seen it work very well. For now it's a $40 brush and the best varnish you can get!


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Pete, in your meathod above, you must be starting with very dry mahogany. What % do you shoot for?
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Steve, I couldn't tell from the pictures that he had glassed over the wood. That explains a lot about the rot. We all know about what happens to wood that has been "encapsulated".

Your title of this thread reminded me of a friend who always found great boat finds in barns, garages and boat houses. It was always amazing to me the boats he would come up with until the day I asked how he found them. He has since retired but was a Waukesha county sheriff all or most of his life. Waukesha county (west of Milwaukee Wi.) is filled with lots of lakes and plenty of barns. He in uniform and a squad car could go anywhere he wanted to. I think he spent more time out looking for boats in barns than police duties! He was the first person I knew who had a Jersey Speed Skif which in the midwest is rare!

You may already know this but wanted to mention it. When Dave replaces the wood on the deck, I feel he should bed it to the deck in 5200 (mahogany color) to seal the bottom side from water. Do all the fitting of the planking first, then pre staining and at least one coat of varnish or sealer. Then screw it to the deck and bung the screw holes. The pre stain and seal will prevent the areas of the wood where he gets the 5200 on (it's messy) from being sealed and not "taking" stain latter. I do this with bright finished wood that gets close to 5200 and or epoxy.


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Pete ,
The wood was rotted at the rear starboard side, about even with the back seat. Kind of a wierd place,it was right on top of the piece. Good thing is its not into any structural area.
It hard to see in the pics,but the PO was a body man (auto) and had 'glassed over the mahogany strips and painted them to match the interior. Dave is planning to replace all of them. Other than that everything looks rock-solid and original...
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Steve, I'm glad to here the good news! I know it is for the better.
I really don't know the difference between the Fibersport and the Resorter. Unless it's a level of trim. It does look like the Fibersport was gone the year they made the Resorter a fiberglass hull. Someone who is really into the details of Century will know. We have our Blackhawk fall dinner coming up and will see several Century guys and will ask. Where is the wood rotted? Was any attempt made to caulk the wood to the deck to seal out water? I've never had one apart.


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Alan,
I guess you figured out which Dave!..It is in good hands! He just got a little "in a hurry" with what to do with the 68 before he actually saw it.

As for boats... Dave sold his 49 Century and one of his Speedliners.. He still has a Speedliner and an old 1937 Miller racing boat..

btw.... Make sure you plan to keep the weekend of May 16-18 open for the Muscatine boat show!...should be better than last year... Dave plans to run the Hydros at night..."Under the lights"... to his knowledge,its never been done before. Should be pretty cool!
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Originally posted by 62 wood 62 wood wrote:

GOOD NEWS!!!!

   Talked with Dave this morning and he IS planning to keep the vinyl in the center of the Resorter.. He agrees , after getting it home and starting to clean it up that it would be better to just replace the existing mahogany strips.   

When he first started talking about doing this, we hadnt seen this boat and how original it is!




Steve, I would think that boat is in goods hands with Dave. Doesn't he have a few others in his collection right now?
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GOOD NEWS!!!!

   Talked with Dave this morning and he IS planning to keep the vinyl in the center of the Resorter.. He agrees , after getting it home and starting to clean it up that it would be better to just replace the existing mahogany strips.   

When he first started talking about doing this, we hadnt seen this boat and how original it is!


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Steve, I'm not really sure what the difference is. I'll have to look at the Century site some more.


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I agree... the wood on that deck looks like teak or something... poor grain/color match.

Pete,
whats different about the pic of the Fibersport you posted and the Resorter Dave bought? (other than color combinations)
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I'd say those photos make the best argument.
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Steve, This is what a Fibersport should look like. The one you found has been "customized" with a wood deck that isn't even mahogany!



One of our chapter members is a great woodworker and replanked the center section of deck on one of his boats with cedar because HE thought it looked good. He buys, fixes and sells boats as a retirement hobby. This one with the cedar deck has been for sale for 13 years. The last I heard he had reduced the price down to 2K and he still can't sell it. He learned a valuable lesson and has now put replacing the deck back to original on his project list. It is a early 50's Chris. He happens to be one of the people who got the "did you see what he did the that boat" comment!!


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Yeah thats the same boat .
I do remember the MC in the middle of the summer . Last I saw I thought someone was working on it .
Do you remember the red boat with -Try Me- On the back of it ? I think the last I saw it was back in the early 90's .
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Pat,
It was downstream from the sandbar,on the RF side, but also downstream (just on the other side)of the new houses..... Do you remember the old/ motorless Stars and Stripes MC , setting on a sling?(wonder what ever happened to it?) The Resorter was upstream from that. The boathouse is open to the river, with no door. The flatbottom in the pics sat in front of the Resorter.
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Steve I still think it is the same one . The one Im thinking of is in between the sand bar and the new houses down stream on the Rockfalls side . It was sitting in the back part of the boat house parallel to the river .

The one that I have been looking for , that I havent seen in a long time , is a red boat with - Try Me - on the back. I think it was in the same area . Possibly a Donzi.
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Munday.. thanks for the info on the Fibersport. I found a couple of pics of one for sale...




I still like the mahogany accent myself
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They made wood deck fiberglass resorters called "Fibersports"



New factory skins are available at AA marine,they have all the old century stock.Good people too..Thats a nice old Resorter they can handle much better with the addition of a tracking fin.

I'm still looking for an old Resorter myself I love the front bench seat and the windshield's are extra nice.


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Dave's a great guy and has been around boats a long time...somewhere he saw a resorter with the complete wood deck and liked it.

After seeing this boat in the water, I have to agree,I would keep it original also. I really like the slight touch of the mahogany as an accent..
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Use money to pursuade them. Puffed out, that boat is worth a lot to the right buyer. Once its bastardized, the limited market for that boat becomes way more limited, and top dollar goes away.

My brother's 80 looks fantastic when it's just been waxed, but fades after being in the sun for awhile. He was thinking of painting it. I told him he probaly had the nicest original fiberglass Resorter in existance, and what was he thinking of. Wax more or have it wet sanded. Don't even think of painting it. Fortunately, he listened.
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Steve, I've spent lots of time around wood boats, shows and the ACBS. I would really hate to see Dave go to something non original with a classic like that. A 68 fiberglass can be showed and judged at any of the ACBS chapters but wouldn't get very far with points with a different deck on it. I've worked plenty of shows and have heard plenty of comments like "did you see what he did to that boat?". Is Dave's wife calling the shots on this? You mentioned that they just sold the 49 Century but besides that, what is there background with wood boats? Does he really know what he is thinking of doing and just doesn't care? I really hope I'm not coming across just sounding like a purist, I'm just concerned about a beautiful classic boat.


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Wood, that would be so wrong if your buddy put Mahogany on that boat. Wasn't it you who brought the boat to his attention? Put your foot down. Buy it from him. Save that boat. BKH
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Pete,
talk to him. That boat won't look right with an all wood deck, and it appears to be so original, it is really too bad to change it. It will definately hurt the value of the boat.

The Arabians are nice boats, although I never cared for their look. When my 2 brothers and I bought our Century, one of them wanted the Arabian. Fortunately, two of us didn't.
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Pete,
I dont think it will do any good...his wife likes wood boats and isnt thrilled he just sold his 49 Century...soooo, he is doing that to get the "best of both worlds".

btw, he is keeping all the vinyl in case he wants to go back original..
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Originally posted by 62 wood 62 wood wrote:


Dave,the new owner ) is thinking off replacing the whole upper deck,including the vinyl , with mahogany.



Steve, Do I need to talk to Dave??


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I still like this one, don't know if its still there but it looked like a nice cruiser to me, well after a little engine work to get it closer to one hp to cu in that is...
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Originally posted by Riley Riley wrote:

That boat looks decent. I bet there's no rot to deal with. Just a lot of cleaning and maybe new interior. They are a really nice classic boat, although they definately do not have the sporty feel of an older CC. They are more like a Caddy.


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you hit the nail on the head... It does have a little rot on the mahogany top planking . Dave,the new owner ) is thinking off replacing the whole upper deck,including the vinyl , with mahogany. Other than that, everything is VERY solid!

The interior should clean up very nice..it does have a few small wear areas,and a couple of small rips, but nothing too major...

I said the same thing with the Caddy/ sports car reference!

btw, Pam even said I should have bought the boat!....she wouldnt comment tho when I told her I couldnt get rid of either of the existing Correct Crafts.
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