The People’s Republic of California

Let's see what CCFan's very own, "Mr. California Ass" has to say about this one...

You should try living here. Last week my son had a game at Berkley. It was the most run down school I have seen. They have time for the world but not their kids. They were very good soccer players.

- It is spelled Berkeley
- HW? you referring to me??
- Bill, I won't pretend to understand your position, and I certainly won't argue/disagree with you. It must be frustrating to be a soldier who has gone off to fight on behalf of the US on multiple deployments, risking your life in an instance, and then it takes 7 hours to remove these meatheads. On the other hand, as much of a freak show as California can sometimes be, I'd bet that you would be amongst the first to volunteer if someone tried to take it away from the US.
-I have a degree from UC Berkeley, or Cal as we prefer to call it. Interesting school. In most ways, it is the most traditional University in the UC system. It also has the most liberal segment in the UC system dating back to the free speech movement of the 60s. The City of Berkeley is also one of the most liberal cities in the United States. Quite an interesting experience as a Reagan Republican attending Cal in the 80s, while the liberal element was building shanty towns across campus to promote divestiture in South Africa.
-I don't agree with the folks chaining themselves across the Marine's doorway, nor do I agree with the idiots living in the trees to stop the building of the new athletic facility. However, I do believe in the First Amendment, and the Constitutional right to free speach and so I guess we live with things we agree with, and things we don't.
- I would remind folks that it is not limited to Berkeley, or California. If I recall, the tragedy at Kent State arose from a student protest of war. Abbie Hoffman and the "Chicago 8" later called the "Chicago 7" arose from a violent protest at the Democratic National convention. I'm sure I could go dig up others accross the US.
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BKH

Man I love this site and all the different guys and opinions. What a great bunch of interesting friends!

john

And I wouldn't condemn this site for all it's far right conservatives either....
I enjoy your views.. just don't have to agree always..

Aemmer

"God is not a Republican"

There was a thread months back in which the boat dr went all 79nautique on BKH and used that term. I thought at least Brian would have remembered it.

God is not demopublican, republicrat, maoist, socialist, communiist, anrachist, czarist, liberal, moderate, conservative, nor dictator.

He is the great "I am." In whom all things are created. His Kingdom is neither male nor female, black or white, American, Iraqi, Canadian, Kenyan, or Chinese. He is the loving Father who runs out the door to embrace the child who is broken and lost.

He loves the soldier and the protestor, the guard and the inmate, the honest and the thieves, the rich and the poor.

Chuck

Amen Chuck!!


Wishing all a great day!!

is it a turn the other cheek policy up in heaven with the killings in wartime? im not being a smartass, i just dont know

I always think of it as a "Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's" situation myself...

Bill,

I'm glad you started the post. I feel horrible that others would treat your family in such a fashion. I think it is worse than horrible that protestors disrespect the fallen. They do so much harm.

I commend you for the service you have given and continue to render. You are held in the utmost respect. Please let your family know how grateful we are for the sacrifice that you make, and for the sacrifice that they make while you are serving.

Chuck

Bill, I respect you, your family and your opinions. For that matter I respect and thank anyone who is willing to serve in the armed forces for our country.

Aemmer          

Bill,

As I am a soldier myself, and having been in Yougoslavia, Kosovo and Afganistan, having colleagues that have been in Lebanon; I've seen and felt my share of the effect and horror of war...

I speak only for myself, but I consider myself as a lucky man having been only once in a situation where my finger was ready to pull the trigger... Believe you me, it was the hardest moment of my life! No one in his right mind pulls a trigger as if it were nothing, being a soldier or not... But that's only my humble opinion.

So, I too am frustrated when anti-war prostesters act as if we like to kill just for fun. And I dislike war as much as the next guy and thus respect rhe anti-war opinion. The only thing I ask in return is to show respect for my love to my country.

Kristof

Bill, I'm a pretty tolerant man but that crap pisses me off. That's not freedom of speech, it's bullsh*t. No one should harm or threaten to harm you or your family. I wish I didn't live clear across the county as I'd love to be amongst your friends and neighbors who will watch over your family when you are away. BKH

All I can say is how proud I am to have the guys on this site as friends. It ain't all about boats or beer or big speakers here...and isn't that special.

john