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I have the set up you describe above gun-driver with the white balast resistor underneath the red cut off switch with the purple wire going to the coil
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What is the resisitor ???
Is this soimething as well as the coiil ? I have the ballast resistor already in place.

I wouild like to bring the MSD blaster model 8222 with me next time i go out if we think this could be the problem. If i need a resistor as wekll then let me know.

For $50 i want it with me next time i go out as a possible fix

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Pete, The HEI is an automotive ACCEL distributer. As we all know that the engine is reverse rotation so the gears on the automotive dis were backwards as automotive engines are regular rotation, luckly the dis gear from the Malory was an exact fit on to the ACCEL dis. The guy that helped me do the work, told me that all the marine dis that he's ever seen never had an advance with centrifical weights-IE mercruiser , so he just tac welded them togethor to make the timing advance obsalete.        long story short we just changed the gear on the dis and tac welded the centrifical weights togethor and the thing fires a spark so strong you could power a house!! ;)   "not really"       Hopefully all that made sence and sorry for any incorrect spelling as I am in the Infantry all we know how to do is pull the triger and kill the enemy!!! Will be home on leave in three weeks from S. Korea so show you pics in detail of the Beautiful all orginal '84 SN 2001
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Originally posted by 84SN2001 84SN2001 wrote:

Pete, The HEI is an automotive ACCEL distributer. As we all know that the engine is reverse rotation so the gears on the automotive dis were backwards as automotive engines are regular rotation, luckly the dis gear from the Malory was an exact fit on to the ACCEL dis. The guy that helped me do the work, told me that all the marine dis that he's ever seen never had an advance with centrifical weights-IE mercruiser , so he just tac welded them togethor to make the timing advance obsalete.        long story short we just changed the gear on the dis and tac welded the centrifical weights togethor and the thing fires a spark so strong you could power a house!! ;)   "not really"       Hopefully all that made sence and sorry for any incorrect spelling as I am in the Infantry all we know how to do is pull the triger and kill the enemy!!! Will be home on leave in three weeks from S. Korea so show you pics in detail of the Beautiful all orginal '84 SN 2001

I have a feeling Pete was baiting you with his question.

What your mechanic told you is incorrect on many different levels. Locking the timing in will likely either cause the boat to start/idle poorly or run poorly up top- or possibly both. Marine distributors still use the mechanical advance (weights and springs) mechanism, what they dont have is a vaccuum advance, since boat engines are always under load.

Also, an automotive distributor is a major safety hazard on a boat (and a violation of USCG regulations), as it is not spark arrested like a marine unit. Just a few gas fumes in the bilge and you have a recipe for disaster. I would strongly consider ditching the HEI you have on there now, in the name of safety. Performance Distributors sells a marine HEI unit if you want to stick with that type of ignition system.
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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

Originally posted by 84SN2001 84SN2001 wrote:

Pete, The HEI is an automotive ACCEL distributer. As we all know that the engine is reverse rotation so the gears on the automotive dis were backwards as automotive engines are regular rotation, luckly the dis gear from the Malory was an exact fit on to the ACCEL dis. The guy that helped me do the work, told me that all the marine dis that he's ever seen never had an advance with centrifical weights-IE mercruiser , so he just tac welded them togethor to make the timing advance obsalete.        long story short we just changed the gear on the dis and tac welded the centrifical weights togethor and the thing fires a spark so strong you could power a house!! ;)   "not really"       Hopefully all that made sence and sorry for any incorrect spelling as I am in the Infantry all we know how to do is pull the triger and kill the enemy!!! Will be home on leave in three weeks from S. Korea so show you pics in detail of the Beautiful all orginal '84 SN 2001

I have a feeling Pete was baiting you with his question.

What your mechanic told you is incorrect on many different levels. Locking the timing in will likely either cause the boat to start/idle poorly or run poorly up top- or possibly both. Marine distributors still use the mechanical advance (weights and springs) mechanism, what they dont have is a vaccuum advance, since boat engines are always under load.

Also, an automotive distributor is a major safety hazard on a boat (and a violation of USCG regulations), as it is not spark arrested like a marine unit. Just a few gas fumes in the bilge and you have a recipe for disaster. I would strongly consider ditching the HEI you have on there now, in the name of safety. Performance Distributors sells a marine HEI unit if you want to stick with that type of ignition system.

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I don't understand what you're implying?
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To a certain extent, Tim is correct but I really was confused about your mechanic welding the weights together. Every engine needs a means of advancing the sparks as RPM's increase. I'm still confused but it must be a misinterpretation from your mechanic.

Tim is absolutely correct that not running a marine rated component is unsafe. Take a look at getting it swapped out.


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Originally posted by Manison Manison wrote:

What is the resisitor ???
Is this soimething as well as the coiil ? I have the ballast resistor already in place.

I wouild like to bring the MSD blaster model 8222 with me next time i go out if we think this could be the problem. If i need a resistor as wekll then let me know.

For $50 i want it with me next time i go out as a possible fix

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When I did mine, to be safe, I used the MSD recommended ballast resistor. If you open the breaker cover at the back of the engine is the ceramic looking block. Is only a few dolars. Staight forward. Replace both and enjoy. Because of the extra juice in the Blaster I opened the spark plugs a +.10 and I am very pleased. The wires were upgraded to 8mm. As I mentioned I have a Mallory optical ignition, it was not necessary and agree that points can be more reliable. Overall, I am pleased with the end result. Starts great when cold and it has decent acceleration.
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Thanks for the advice.

I will purchase the MSD 822 epoxy and ballast resistor and exchange them before i go out next, all we want to do is top keep the boat running, it became such a pain last year to spend 4 hours out of your day to be dissapointed every time we got in the boat and have to be towed home. I will let you know how we get on.
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Nick,
Read the MSD 8222 Blaster instructions.It says that when using the coil with points install a 0.8 Ohm resistor. If I remember correct the one in the boat was a 1k Ohm. Get the MSD resistor, PN 8214, from any auto part that sells MSD. Here is an excerpt from the instruction:

WARNING: When using the Blaster Coil with a points or stock style distributor, a 0.8 Ohm ballast resistor must be installed in-line of the positive wire. Failure to use a ballast resistor could result in personal injury or component failure.
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HOOOAH Thanks, I will switch out the dis when I get home for leave and put the correct marine one on so we dont blow the engine cover off and kill some one. I can still asure you that the centrifical weights are spot welded togethor. When I change out the unit which still runs awsome but not safe, I will take a few pics and post them in about three weeks for you mechanic guys that are confused on how it does not work! Hell I might be confused
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One more thing.... I've heard of people not turning on the blower before cranking the engine and then it blows up because of all the fumes. Im all about safety and will change the dis, BUTTTTTT every time we put the boat in the water we turn on the blower and lift the engine cover so that every thing air's out and also to prime that rare CHEVY pleasure craft marine 350. I say rare because CC didnt put that many 350 in their boats? Why? And dont say that ford is better!! Was it an option or did pleasure craft just run out of 351's so they started to put 350???   
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As to why PCM/ CC used 350's in some models as an option back then, I couldn't tell you. Well, other than that the fords ARE better;) The SBC's are definitely less popular in these years, and most years up until the early 2000's, and of course 2003 when there were no more 351w powered CC's.

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PCM's credit dried up with Ford?
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Sounds like the same issue I have every year. The fuel screen on the inlet of the carburetor gets all blocked up with crap that's sucked up from the fuel tank. I have to remove and clean the screen every year. I suffer the same symptoms as you described. Good luck and keep us posted. Ken
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I still have a scar on my palm from one of those damn blaster coils, I saw the light that day...but it sent me back, my heart hurt for 2 days
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