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    Posted: October-11-2012 at 5:21pm
2003 SAN 210 - leaks @ shaft. after 10-15 mins must run pump to empty ballast tanks even though they are closed.
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Hey Russ,
Your statement is a bit confusing. Are your balast tanks filling, or is your bilge filling? "Leaks at shaft" isn't directly related to the water in your tanks.. may want to start over so we can help..
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the tanks are empty and closed, bilege pumps on, after 10-15 mins of riding, the boat takes on water and the tank pumps must be turned on the empty the boat. I had a tech respond that he thought he stuffingbox? needed tighting?
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the tanks are empty and closed, bilege pumps on, after 10-15 mins of riding, the boat takes on water and the tank pumps must be turned on the empty the boat. I had a tech respond that he thought he stuffingbox? needed tighting?
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Originally posted by rmitchell rmitchell wrote:

the tanks are empty and closed, bilege pumps on, after 10-15 mins of riding, the boat takes on water and the tank pumps must be turned on the empty the boat. I had a tech respond that he thought he stuffingbox? needed tighting?


Does the boat leak while not using it?
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the boat sits on a lift on the dock, I took it out of the water to winterize and it sits on a trailer in my carport in the winter months. That is when i noticed a defined stain from the water leaking out and the water was comming out from there more than the drain plug.
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if i translated your post correctly, you have two seperate problems. the boat takes on water throught the prop shaft, correct? the tech you spoke to was probably correct in that the stuffing box needs to be tightened. basically you have to tighten the packing nut on the shaft. there's hundreds of threads with instructions on how to do that on this site and others.

as for the ballast tanks/bags taking on water when you don't fill intentionally with the pumps, i'm not familiar with the stock system on the '03, is it a vent system with the old aerator pumps or new style johnson or jabsco pumps? if you have the reversible johnson/jabsco they are letting water by them due to loose tolerances/work impeller. change them.
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thank you for your reply, i will look for the threads regrarding the stuffing box.

the balast tank system is the older style with two seperate pumps to active the filling and the other for the empty function. there are not any impellors on these pumps to replace.
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It would be a good idea to keep the problem in the same thread!!!
From the tread you started first in the engine repair section:
Originally posted by rmitchell rmitchell wrote:

Winterized 2003 SAN 210 - Noticed boat taking on water @ shaft. Any experience with this? Seal? thanks

My reply/question which still stands:
Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Standard packing gland or dripless seal?


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I'm starting to get the same bad feeling on this one. Now I noticed he started 3 threads on the same issue!! The two here and then the one in the engine section.

Of course, there are people who should never touch a computer keypad!


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I'd asked (no reply) if it was Eatonton GA,(Lake Oconee) where I keep my boats and will be running for another month or so "weather-willing"...

If it is Eatonton Ga it's also less than an hour for Morfoot aka: "Mr. Fixit" and I'm sure he/we could help...

So....which Eatonton is it?????????
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Eatonton, Ga. It is the standard stuffing box for a 2003. Sorry i am not familar with your site and just looking for advise to repair my boat.
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Originally posted by rmitchell rmitchell wrote:

Eatonton, Ga. It is the standard stuffing box for a 2003. Sorry i am not familar with your site and just looking for advise to repair my boat.


Oconee, great! I keep mine at Sugar Creek Marina. What's your story? How long you had the boat? live on the lake? keep it in a rack? trail it? We'll have to get together sometime.
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Originally posted by 74Wind 74Wind wrote:

Originally posted by rmitchell rmitchell wrote:

Eatonton, Ga. It is the standard stuffing box for a 2003. Sorry i am not familar with your site and just looking for advise to repair my boat.


Oconee, great! I keep mine at Sugar Creek Marina. What's your story? How long you had the boat? live on the lake? keep it in a rack? trail it? We'll have to get together sometime.


Sorry, shoulda read further up before replying, I see now you live on the lake, oops. Both of my stuffing boxes leak a bit more than normal and need some adjustment. More of an annoyance than a problem at this point, I'll just run till the end of the season and work on it next spring. If your boat is out and winterized guess you can wait till spring too...maybe a good excuse for Morfoot and Miss Scarlett to make a house call to Oconee??

What part of the lake you on?
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Originally posted by rmitchell rmitchell wrote:

Eatonton, Ga. It is the standard stuffing box for a 2003. Sorry i am not familar with your site and just looking for advise to repair my boat.

Since it is the standard stuffing box and not the optional dripless, plus being relatively new, I just suggest trying to tighten the packing gland. Not much and check to make sure it doesn't run hot.


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Hi Pete

My old packing nuts don't budge so I'll have to take up the rear panel and try more leverage, but I was guessing (and you may have just confirmed) that on a new boat such as his it they should loosen easily. Correct?

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just now getting the emails. thank you all for the help. i bought the boat in April used 2003 SAN 210. It is not a dripless stuffing box so i will try adjusting the nuts. I went ahead and had the boat winterized and it is in my carport off the lake for the season.
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i'm on the Putman side of Lake Oconee near the Bone Island Grill and across the lake from The Peninsula.
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Originally posted by rmitchell rmitchell wrote:

i'm on the Putman side of Lake Oconee near the Bone Island Grill and across the lake from The Peninsula.


Just had lunch at Bone Island Grill last week, great place and some of the nicest docks I've ever seen. We're always in that area because both gas docks in that vicinity have non-ethanol. Been trying to talk Sugar Creek into non-ethanol for years, he's chasing one of his good storage customers and $75 down the lake every time we go...
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Originally posted by 74Wind 74Wind wrote:

Hi Pete

My old packing nuts don't budge so I'll have to take up the rear panel and try more leverage, but I was guessing (and you may have just confirmed) that on a new boat such as his it they should loosen easily. Correct?


Jeff,
When I mentioned the age, my thought was the packing should still be in good shape and shouldn't need a repack.

Get some decent wrenches and loosen the jam nut first. They are brass and really should not be a problem. Yes, pulling the rear floor for more leverage sure would help!


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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Originally posted by 74Wind 74Wind wrote:

Hi Pete

My old packing nuts don't budge so I'll have to take up the rear panel and try more leverage, but I was guessing (and you may have just confirmed) that on a new boat such as his it they should loosen easily. Correct?


Jeff,
When I mentioned the age, my thought was the packing should still be in good shape and shouldn't need a repack.

Get some decent wrenches and loosen the jam nut first. They are brass and really should not be a problem. Yes, pulling the rear floor for more leverage sure would help!


I've got 2 packing nut wrenches but I had to cut the handles down to a handwidth to work on the packing nuts underneath my Century V-drive, which also wouldn't budge. What a pain that day was, working blind in a constricted space with a mirror and rising bilgewater on a 95 degree day.........

Tim Morfoot had some good wrenches and tried to adjust the Southwind but couldn't get 'em to budge. Will go the floor route in the spring.
(hope the packings good)





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