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backfoot100
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Wow, I gotta tell you that you're taking this really well. I had to reread the whole thread to remember what was going on. It's been one thing after another for you but you've been doing great at getting everything repaired. Learning a lot along the way too. Well done!!!!
However, yours is a classic example of what happens when a prop striking an object can damage anything along the entire drivetrain as you're quickly finding out. There's no doubt in my mind that this is still a result of the strike. I can't help you with where to take it in the DFW area but you do need to make sure that you replace the damper on the flywheel. Any time that you remove/replace the tranny the damper should be replaced. If you don't, there's no doubt that you'll be pulling the tranny again after you get it rebuilt. |
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When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded.
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Dreaming
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Joe in NY has one of these tranny's already rebuilt and ready to go. looked like a nice price too. Check the for sale section and I bet you'll be out the door cheaper and quicker than a tranny shop can help you in this season.
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Eric no longer works there but they still have very capable people that know what they are doing. Still highly recommended by guys here. |
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Donald80SN
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Joe is a great guy and very honest. If you send him your core, most ship these in an old Milk Crate. I believe you use plastic pull ties to install a wooden lid. You put your shipping info on the wooden lid.
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Mike26
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Contacted Joe but it appears that he is all out of transmissions and I never heard when he might have new ones ready to go. Mailed off my transmission to fantastic finish marine yesterday. UPS guy didn't look all too thrilled when he attempted to pick up the box...
So, going onto this damper plate. Just out of curiosity, why is it necessary to replace the entire unit when pulling the transmission? All the warranty information I see about rebuilt transmissions says that the cooler has to be replaced but makes no mention of the damper plate. Looks like Skidim has them for a little over $200, unless someone knows of a better avenue to take. |
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backfoot100
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The cooler doesn't have to be replaced unless you know it's leaking water into the tranny fluid. That requirement I'd presume is coming from whomever is rebuilding the tranny.
The damper plate is bolted to the flywheel and what the tranny input shaft actually mates up to. It provides the vibration dampening between the tranny input shaft and the crankshaft of the engine. Every time you go in and out of gear, the damper is doing it's job. It does this with a series of springs that become brittle and/or weak over a period time and eventually, they'll start breaking and sending pieces of the broken springs and the damper plate itself all over the inside of the bell housing. At that point you'll hear this hellatious noise from what you'll think is your brand new freshly rebuilt tranny grinding itself to a horrible halt. Our standard recommendation is to replace the damper whenever you remove/replace the tranny. The ONLY way to replace the damper is to remove the tranny and it's easier seeing as it's easily accessable now and you have no idea how weak those springs have become or the last time it was ever replaced. Inevitably, anyone who doesn't replace the damper after a tranny rebuild will just end up going through the hassle of removing the tranny a second time within a few short hours of a fresh rebuild. After everything else that you've had to replace and/or repair in this endevour, the damper plate was the last line of defense in the entire drivetrain that probably saved your crankshaft from complete destruction. Do yourself a favor and get a new damper. Don't argue. Just do it. |
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When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded.
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IAughtNaut
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Wish I had seen this a little sooner, I may be in the minority, but I did not have a good experience with the post-Eric Lavine FFM. I had my transmission rebuilt by them two summers ago and when I got the boat back it didn't run at all. The transmission wasn't the problem, so you may be ok if you only sent them that and not the whole boat, but they "fixed" a whole lot of stuff on mine that wasn't broken and ended up retarding my timing in the process. I live 40 minutes from them and they'll never see my boat again. Just my .02 |
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Gary S
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ebasicpower has damper plates about half the price,Tim B will know for sure I believe he gets his from there
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cphase
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I believe this is the damper you need, you have to trim the edges if I am not mistaken.
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hotboat
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Not one to be a basher but I sent my friend there with his Century, $5000 later the boat hasnt been usable since. Beware |
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Mike26
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Ok will order a new damper plate for sure then, I wasn't 100% sure of what its exact purpose was until reading Eddie's description.
Well I hope everything works out with Fantastic Finish, they seem very good and on top of business so far. Every email I have sent them has been promptly responded to. I will be sure to report back any updates from them! Looking forward to getting this back out on the lake |
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Donald80SN
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I know of others that have purchased that Damper Plate that you need to trim off just a little. That is the way to go.
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Mike26
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so this exact damper plate?
http://bpi.ebasicpower.com/p/ALTDA-106 and can someone describe "trim" off a little? what exactly am I trimming? |
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backfoot100
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The very end of each "wing" of the damper. Right next to each bolt that bolts the damper in place. It'll stick out over the edge of the flywheel a little bit. Trim off each "wing" so the starter doesn't make contact with it. It's only about a 1/2" or something like that. It isn't much. A dremel tool works awesome to cut it off.
I really don't know for sure why they need to be trimmed but everybody has to do it. I can only guess it's designed to fit a variety of different diameter flywheels but again purely a guess. Not a big deal. |
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When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded.
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TRBenj
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If you dont want to trim it yourself, there is also a pre-trimmed version available for $10 more:
http://bpi.ebasicpower.com/pc/ALTDA-106A/ALL3G Eddie is correct- these dampers are transmission specific (Borg Warner Velvet Drive) and are "universal" in that they are made to fit a number of different engines. For example, a 72c bolted to a big block Chevy uses the same damper, (no trimming needed). |
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Mike26
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ordered the new damper, should be here mid next week. UPS shows that Fantastic Finish received my transmission at noon today. They said it was a 2-3 day turn around time period on the rebuild. So if all the stars align perfectly, I might just have this thing back together next weekend in time for Memorial Day.
Anything else I should attend to while the boat is this far taken apart? |
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SNobsessed
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Maybe you want to replace the rear main seal while you have it apart. Cheap insurance.
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8122pbrainard
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I actually found an old splined shaft to fit the center of the plate, cut it off, drilled a center in the lathe then I scribe the radius. I cut them off in the bad saw and do the final trim on the belt sander. I don't want to throw the balance off!! Yes, there are 7 different hole patterns in the plate to fit a multitude of flywheels. |
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Mike26
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New damper just came in the mail. Heard back from Fantastic Finish and they got the transmission all taken apart. Apparently the oil pump went bad and the oil pump gears ground into the front cover of the transmission, leading to the leaking oil... whoops! Price went up, no surprise there. Needs a new oil pump and front cover, plus the rebuild of course.
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