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    Posted: September-11-2021 at 6:44am

Hi all,not CC related however I’m hoping someone here may be able to point me in the right direction.


I have a diesel powered boat, the fuel supply lines have collapsed where they come through a bulkhead, restricting fuel flow.


I’m searching for 1/2’  90 degree full flow elbow connectors, at 1/2 inch ID I’m right on the minimum ID required for the fuel lines given the run length,other connections and filters. The engine’s fuel delivery and return specs have to be met or exceeded, they're isn't enough room to get larger fuel line or fittings in the space I’m working with.


I cant use multiple threaded fittings to make up the 90’ and can’t use a sharp 90’ as it will restrict flow,and wont reach through the bulkhead.


Pictured is what I need however this fitting reduces in size (ID) on the bend.


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The bending may reduce the size in one direction but typically will increase the size in the other. So, the inside area is the same. With a long sweep like you pictured, there's great flow making a 90.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 91nautique Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September-11-2021 at 8:25am

Pete -thanks for the response.


I hear you,however when contacting various suppliers of the above fitting none can give me any tech info on it.


All they can say is its 1/2’ and made in China, I cant even get drawings for its physical size or info on what material its made from.


I’m concerned about the quality of the fitting, and failing like most Chinese junk .

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Have you considered bending some hard line yourself?
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Originally posted by GottaSki GottaSki wrote:

Have you considered bending some hard line yourself?

I have but don't have the equipment, I've also looked around for companies that do it - what Ive seen is the largest size they will go to in stainless is way to small.  


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How about a long sweep copper 90 with sweat barbed fitting on each end?







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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

How about a long sweep copper 90 with sweat barbed fitting on each end?

Great idea Pete however


The sweep isn't long enough to pass through the bulkhead leaving enough material to get the hose on the barb.


There isn't enough barb area to double clamp.


Sweat fittings could be troublesome (especially on the vacuum side)


All lines run through one hole in the bulkhead,removal of existing and refitting new will be done completely by feel,there is no visible access and its tight! I’m not even sure it can be done…


I need six fittings altogether  6 x 1/2’ - (two engines supply and return)  and 2 x 3/8 (generator supply and return)


Appreciate the input.

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I would consider AN fittings that are designed for through bulkhead applications.  AN fittings are designed to handle various fuels and there are a zillion different sizes, adapters, configurations, hoses etc.  AN stuff costs a bit more, but I've had great success in several different applications (including fuel delivery).  Here are a couple of places to look:

http://www.russellperformance.com/misc/support/

https://fragolaperformancesystems.com/

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Reminds meI got to examine a USCG 42' buoy tender once, work of art, all marvelously bent 316 with VCR fittings
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If you pack the tubing with sand & close off the ends, you can bend it without collapsing much if any.

You could even make a die from wood to help make a true radius.
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Originally posted by SNobsessed SNobsessed wrote:

If you pack the tubing with sand & close off the ends, you can bend it without collapsing much if any.

Chris,
Has it ever worked for you? I've never had any luck using that technique. 


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I looked into AN and Swaglock fittings initially and didn't find a solution, also there is no way to get tools in there to secure everything,its going to be a struggle to get a screwdriver in one side to tighten hose clamps,on the other side of the bulkhead there is 1’ of clearance between the bulkhead and the generator soundshield (all hidden from view)


It was installed new this way,all the fuel lines where run through the bulkhead and the generator pushed hard against them bending the fuel lines 90 degrees.


I appreciate your input,thank you.

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Pete - They did the sand-mandrel at work once.  2X3 .25 wall ROPS tubing.  Pines bender.  I suppose a whoie 'nother level.  I have had good luck bending small tubing with a spring casing, but never worried about ovality too much.
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