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Hussler
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They will be gone. Can't wait to have my canvas guy stitch up a beautiful new red cockpit. I can picture it now... |
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Hussler
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Ok so just a recap, the original stringers in cc's were made of doug fir?
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DrCC
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They seem to think so. They could have very well been Cypress. And they were 1 5/8" not 1 1/2"
Where were CC's made ? >>> Florida. What tree is right there in Florida ? >>> Cypress. What wood is more rot resistant than Doug's Fur ? >>> Cypress. |
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Hussler
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After seeing my friends american skier, it has no rot on orginal 61 stringers. I'm starting to think thats good enough for me. If I bought the fir tomorrow that would give me month of drying time before I even get the boat.
Just regular Douglas fir? Pick some nice pieces out at lowes? Can you get kiln dried Also the CPES, that would probably make the new stringers Superior to the old just by the application of this stuff? |
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Jllogan
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Well there has been some debate as to the quality of the Dfir, Im sure someone else can elaborate on that.
I just got some at my local lumber yard and looks for nice straight pieces with few knots etc. I figure after all the CPES and epoxy resin and fiberglass I put on those things, it should be good for a long time. |
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Jllogan
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does a mustang have secondaries like mine? I heard someone say the secondaries were just pine but I just got all Dfir.
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Hussler
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The american skier has secondaries so I assume this one does too? Oh and i dont remember where I saw this on here but I bought one of these to make fiberglass removal easier. Thanks to whoevers idea this was! |
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Hussler
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I have a lead when I can get kiln dried douglas fir. Is that what I should buy?
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Hussler
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This is what I found at the yard today. Nobody could tell me for certain if it was douglas fir and if it was kiln dried. Pic of the label.
There was this stuff on top. Some boards had a red tint to them, labled "fir" These next board looked SUPER nice. They were also labled "fir", but no red tint! Any insight you guys can give? |
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Keeganino
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You want your wood to be nice and dry. I am pretty sure all lumber is dried in a kiln. Otherwise it would take years to cure. The important thing is the moisture content. Anything under 10% is good. 8% s great. Pretty sure mine was right around 9 when I got it.
The CPES is a sealer but its #1 attribute is that it is supposed to soak in deep and basically plastify the cells in the wood. Just another step towards making the wood impermeable to water. That blade you have is key. So much better than traditional cut off wheels. Makes me want to do another one! BTW I love reading Tim and Joe's posts. Great guys with way too much knowledge! (if that's possible) |
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Keeganino
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There are different species of Fir. If they can't tell you at the lumber yard that should tell you something! I would pass and keep looking especially if you have the time to wait.
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Hussler
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I want to get the lumber within the week so it will have plenty of time to cure until I get the boat. |
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8122pbrainard
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The red tint looks like Doug Fir. The white stuff could be "Hem Fir". All the lower quality construction grades (SPF) are sometimes just called "white woods".
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Riley
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If it just says fir, it's more than likely Hem Fir which is a species group that contains different species of fir and hemlock, but typically not Douglas Fir. If it's Douglas Fir, they're going to proudly tell you and charge you! There are many kinds of fir, most are inferior to Douglas Fir.
Have you pulled the boat apart? I'd look at the boat before deciding what you need to do. |
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If you have a lead on KD Doug Fir buy it. Purchased from a cabinet supplier or the like, it should not only be controlled drying process but also free of knots. This will be the best choice if affordable and practical to locate. |
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Hussler
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Ah, that explains why the monkeys at lowes couldn't tell me what "white wood" was haha. Good to know!
I haven't even got the boat yet! Good to know it might be hem fir. The PO says that there are some bad spots but the stringers are ok. May be able to get a season out of them, but if I can I want to get them replaced before summer.
Hmm you guys are making it sound like it should be more than 30 bucks for a 20ft board. Probably not Douglas fir if the price is that low? I do know of a lumber mill not too far away, I'll call them and see what they say. Is there a particular species of doug fir I would want? |
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LOL, I think the last set of doug fir stringers I bought were in the $200 range. We couldnt find much locally here in the northeast either. Of course, that didnt include the ply required on the floor, either. Im sure we'll have all of $300 in wood into the boat when its all said and done. It makes a strong case for composites! |
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Hussler
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I'll just have to keep calling around then.
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75 Tique
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Just have to know where to look....right down the road from where you used to live. Downs & Reader lumber |
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All of my DF for the mains and secondaries was $230 out the door. I just used regular ply for the floor.
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TRBenj
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We found it closer than that- someplace out near Brad, I think. Littleton, maybe? We found a handful of places that could get it- but all had to special order it. All were expensive! I dont think I could bring myself to spend $300 on a wood re-stringer job again. A few hundred bucks more could do a simple Coosa job! |
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Hussler
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Bought the doug fir, at home depot of all places. I'll soak the **** out of it with CPES and glass it all together.
My decision was made while thinking about Rot Doctor and how good the stuff really is. Our 55' chris craft tour boat is pretty much held afloat by it. I'm going to put a order in soon with my guys, whats the difference between 1808 and 1708 fiberglass matt? Cant remember what we stock at work. Should I use different matts for different areas? |
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Jllogan
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Actually I think you are confusing mat with biax. 1708 and 1808 are biax designations,
The 1708 Contains double bias(17oz) stitched at 45degrees along with one layer of 3/4oz mat.Thickness: 0.044" The 1808 Contains double bias(18oz) stitched at 90degrees along with one layer of 3/4oz mat.Thickness: 0.048" These will be fine for final layering but will not be appropriate for taping and wrapping. Too thick hard to bend around corners etc. I reccomend a 8-10oz cloth along with some mat as well. I used the cloth mainly for taping and wrapping, did a final wrap with mat. Also the mat was good for laminating. The biax is too thick in my opinion and is best for a faster final layup. Although some here probably find the home store Dfir to be subpar I also got mine there. I still paid alot for it and it was very straight, lacked knots, etc etc. All in all a very nice piece of wood. That in combination with the copious amounts of CPES and epoxy resin have me feeling this was a good compromise. I probably saved about half over a special order. |
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Ah yes, I have been using the matt at work, never any tape though. Didnt know there was such a luxury. So something like this to wrap the stringers? http://compositeenvisions.com/raw-fabric-cloth-2/fiberglass-cloth-mat-roving-101/fiberglass-cloth-tape-e-glass-8-7oz-6-width-50-yard-roll-519.html Then matt to do the big areas? |
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yes,
They sell cloth by the yard and in precut tapes. I used three pieces of tape in increasingly larger increments for all the inside corners. So for example 2"/4"/then 8". Any matt or biax will be tough to get wrapped around anything or any areas that need bending. I think you will find US composites a little cheaper. |
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Hussler
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I want to do about 4 or 5 nice thick layers on the stringers, you would just use the tape? I've only ever cut strips from the matt in the past. How about that orignal style basket weave stuff, or is there a reason they stopped using it? If I used that stuff it would look like I was never in there.
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Hussler
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Getting the plate for the trailer this weekend and prob rob all the stereo equipment out of the bayliner. Maybe stop by the bosses place and look at some chrome
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Has anyone ever used Redwood? it is naturally rot resistant, I have been on a 100+ year old dredge built entirely of redwood untreated uncovered directly in contact with the water. Just curious as I have not seen any mention in these threads.
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Hussler
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Got my boat!!! Its a real pile!! A FANTASTIC pile!!!
Pics of the whole trip. Got to nashville, best buddy mikes jeep. Got to visit my girlfriend in nashville. Todd and I faked this handshake for ceremonial purposes. Jeep drove 1400 miles, we picked up the boat, drove 1 mile to the gas station and she stalled and died. Bad omen? She fired right back up and only stalled a few times on the 1700 mile trip back (had to go to long island, grandfather passed away. He was a cool mother ***************er and would have loved this boat. Belt broke on one of the trailer tires. When to harbor freight and got two 55mph rated tires for a safe ride back. Might have exceeded their recommended speed :) Best buddy mike. Florida gas station Slept at a rest stop in north carolina At my aunts in long island for the funeral Safe at home! My babies together at last <3 |
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Gary S
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Good that you had easy trip,too bad about your Grandpa tho. Looks like your buddy has a 6 in his grand? Kind of makes the cruise control hard to use thru Georgia don't it? Keep us posted on your project, looks like a good one.
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