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farmer
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Has anyone used a paint shaver pro to remove gelcoat. It looks good but is it worth the money? $700 for everything Farmer
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bkhallpass
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Farmer,
Not familiar with that device. I would think carefully about DavidF's advise. He's done an awful lot of this with very good results. On a side note, my neighbor was a body man for 20 years. Specialized in Corvettes. He did a 98 Air Nautique which had been run up on the rocks in Tahoe. He used the tools of his trade (DAs, plane sanders, etc.) and also got good results. BKH |
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eric lavine
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Farmer, if you were going to do that for a living its probably recomendable, for one time use i dont think it would justify the cost. a good air type low rpm grinder is what we use to strip corvettes and thick paint. even if you bought rolls and rolls of 36 grit and a good DA (hutchins) it wouldnt equal the 7 beans for the shaver, plus a DA always comes in handy. Eric
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8122pbrainard
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The only tool I'm familiar with is the Porter Cable 7403 which is basicly a rotary sander that was designed to remove paint from bevel or drop siding on houses. It has wheels on it so it depth of removal can be controled. Is this the tool you are reffering to?
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farmer
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No,the tool I'm talking about is sold by American International Tool industries and is called "paint shaver pro" or "marine shaver pro" same tool, just a different use. This one uses carbide bits(3) to do the cutting.Nice tool but it is pretty expensive. I'm in the process of designing my own version with the help of a neighborhood "mechanical genious". Should be fun. Here's the web address:
http://www.paintshaver.com/marineshaver.html They have a good video that shows the tool in use. Farmer |
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Just finished the tool today.Don't know how well it works yet but I will try it as soon as the weather cooperates.I'll post some pictures of it if I can ever get my camera back from my son! Farmer
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I just learned figured out that I could put a resin backing pad on my electric grinder and use sanding disks. A 36 grit disk chews through gelcote with a quickness. Takes a delicate touch then followup with an orbital sander (and bondo in some places). But costs about 15 bucks. I am sure the paint shaver pro is a much better way to do things.
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eric lavine
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I use a rotaty air not orbital, with a 10 inch or so adhesive, it works beautifully on removing, shaping and so on, it works well on wood also,
farmer that must be some type of planer? |
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I must say that video on the site looks like magic, at least on the flat areas. Farmer let us know how it works, and what your weekly rental rate for your good friends here at CCF will be.
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farmer
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Here are some pictures of my home made gelcoat remover.It took about two hours to strip the bottom of my mustang 17 but there is still a lot of finish work to do as seen in the picture of the boat bottom. Farmer
the picture of the bottom makes it look smoother than it actually is but not bad. |
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That is pretty awesome. The right tool really makes a big difference. I spent an hour grinding then sanding to get a 3ft by 6ft section of my boat. You have a patent on that thing?
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That picture of the mustang just freaks me out I know that the end result will look great, just at this stage it's scary. Farmer, I get tired just looking at all that work, Good Luck Keep the pics coming, I love to watch the progress.
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The tool I got the idea from is patented but it is much more refined and I'm sure works better than mine does.This one is good but I kept making grooves on the exposed fibergla$$ from the previous pa$$.You can see the head of a bolt in the lower right of the first picture that I added after I was almost done.It helped but I'd have to try something a little better if I was going to use this thing all the time. JoeinNY was right.It only works on flat or gently convex areas.I don't think it will work at all on the sides of the mustang. Farmer
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Looks like if you added a couple more screws it would help with the depth control, nice job saved you a bunch of time. Keep us posted.
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Wow, I agree, that is a scary lookin picture!
Looks like lotsa work. BTW: what is that ugly looking white stuff along the driveway? Looks nasty as well. john PS to 79: See you at the ramp. |
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jbear,winter gives us time to work on our boats and not feel bad that we're not out on the water. farmer
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Gary we'll let you know how the water was later today, mid to upper 70's and John's new hot rod should be fun.
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Farmer, nice job making the tool, Good ole Yankee Ingenuity I don't know how you guy down south do it. I use the winter to get caught up on all my "Honey Dos" before I get the boats out. Once the boats are out, no more "honey dos"
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hey farmer 2 hours to strip..........20000 to paint lol eric nice job
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Why is everybody always trying to rain on my parade? Farmer
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cool thing to do!!!....pretty neat tool
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eric lavine
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Farmer, what's next?
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I am taking off the gel only to the waterline.The rest of the gel should clean up much nicer than I could do with my limited talent.My plan is to build coats of epoxy starting with CPES and finishing with epoxy mixed with thickeners to fair the surface.I have a friend with a spray booth who will shoot the epoxy with awlgrip or something similar. No more blisters.I will hide most of the seam under the stripe along the side.Does anyone see any problems with this plan? I am open to suggestions. Farmer
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79nautique
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If your going to paint it and not use gel-kote then you won't have any blisters again, but if you spray gel-kote back on then you might get blisters again at some point.
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eric lavine
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Im not a big fan of Gel coat either, Gel coat has a purpose, it is used as a mold release when the hull is manufactured.
they make amazing products to paint boats, my first choice would be base coat clear coat,The clears nowadays have UV protecters in it and holds up well. anything that says marine on it is twice the price for the same product. Allgrip great but so is the price, Imron is also very durable..... anyone else?.... |
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Eric, I gotta go with the Imron,have one white and one yellow. The yellow is ten years old and still shines and looks as good as day one, and has had a lot of salt water time.
The down side about that stuff is it's bad ,or should I say not "GREEN".Harmful to anything that eats,breaths or walks, but any two part epoxy coatings are......boat dr |
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eric lavine
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alot also depends what the owner wants and how he will take care of the boat over the next 10 or so years.. im with you for durability BD i would use the Imron.
For looks i would go bc/cc, that gives you the oppertunity to stripe her and clear over decals if any. remember there are cheap clears and good clears. cars hold up well in the sun as will a boat I vote no on the gel coat |
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Farmer, Since you are putting on the CPES and thickened epoxy the chances of getting blistering are slim if you put the gel back on. Since you are coating with the epoxy, check into the barrier coat addatives. In the WEST system, it's their # 422. I'm going to lean towards putting the gel back on.
Great job so far. Love how you made the removal tool with the angle grinder! |
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Anytime i see that word West i think get out the checkbook
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I was thinking of having a sign painter do the stripe and lettering.Can I clear coat over the entire side including the remaining gelcoat?
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