Carb Rebuild '88 2001 |
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gR@HaM
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Makes sense now, thanks
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Bri892001
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Ahhh Hence the Gently in the phrase "gently turn the idle screws all the way in, then turn out 1 1/2 turns..." I guess cork is one thing that would strip out even easier than aluminum. |
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GottaSki
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The threads actually bite into the cork, not the alumunum.
So you likely have the cork seals, else the screws wil fall out. |
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Nelson
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Thanks for sharing all this. I have an old 4160 apart on my bench right now. I took it apart a few weeks ago and said to myself I'll remember where that goes...famous last words....lol..... This is going to save me some time.
And I was wondering about the extra parts.... ;) |
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gR@HaM
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An old thread I know but just seen this in the FAQ section, these cork gaskets are interesting as my carb doesnt have them.
Although Im surprised they would fit as look to have a larger diameter than the screws? My tique has a tendency to stall when first dropping it in the water and shifting trans into gear, this problem goes away after the engine has warmed up but is an issue as it can take ages to first pull away. Maybe its due to not having these gaskets? The only way I can get around the issue at the moment is to crank up the idle screw, then once warmed up screwing it back down again. Although the PO has also removed the electronic choke, I suppose thats a more likely cause? Anyone else had a similar problem? Thanks
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SNobsessed
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I has getting the high idle after a hard run too - I rebent the secondary link & it solved the problem.
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MI-nick
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i did put everything back to original, but i do still anticipated some minor tuning (air/fuel screws and idle speed). one think i forgot to mention above is that i hopefully corrected a high idle after a hard run issue. the secondaries were hanging open a bit...there is a rod that controls this that i removed and re-bend to eliminate any slop in the secondary butterflies...hopefully that should do the trick. |
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As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure...
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Donald80SN
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Nick,
Thanks for sharing. I am going to try this over the winter. Do you anticipate having to dial it in or on your reassembly you put everything back to orginal settings? Mine runs great but my Power Valve will hesitate about 1 out of 5 times I pull up a skier. Thanks, Donald |
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MI-nick
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finished the rebuild the other day while i was home sick. i kept the vent baffle in the same orientation as one of the above photos (really there is no other reasonable way it could go on). i didn't monkey with the float levels either. the secondary bowl was dead nuts level. the primary was slightly less than level (i.e. higher fuel level)...some said level...some said it should have a higher fuel level...i left it alone.
i read that the float bowl bolts should be torqued to 40 inch pounds...my torque wrench doesn't go that low so i used the red neck method...the N on the wrench was 4" from the ctr of the socket...so i pulled with 10 pounds from that location with my fish scale...close enough. done and done. the balance tube was tricky to get installed and sealed properly in each bowl...just takes a little time and some twisting. these are all the old parts that were replaced leftover parts from the rebuild kit thanks for all the good advice |
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As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure...
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MI-nick
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there was one nylon spacer on the main body that could be removed if you can pry the vent tube off and then remove the choke butterfly...i didn't do that and soaked with it on...no issues. i read (maybe on this thread) that there are nylon bushings in the throttle body...i didn't soak the throttle body. |
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As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure...
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Gary S
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Justin, I used this Eastwood plating kit on the hardware
Then I sprayed this carb renew on I don't know how it will hold up I have not put in on yet. |
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Donald80SN
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Gary and Nick,
Thanks for explaining the size issue. So there are no hidden Nylon, Plastic or Rubber Parts that may get eaten up my the Carb Cleaner? Thanks, Donald |
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Jllogan
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Gary, did you paint that with something?
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MI-nick
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i had to use a giant coffee can for the main body...the can I had was about the same size as a gallon paint can. |
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Gary S
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Here are some before and after pic's of a 600 I did this summer to try on my boat someday-
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Gary S
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Don,once it's apart the widest part is the base where the throttle plates are,but it is thin.You can find another container that it will fit into and just pour the carb cleaner into that.The next biggest part is the main block and you can do the same.
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Nick,
You are inspiring me to rebuild my carb. Was that 3/4 Gallon container large enough to submerge the carb? I was quessing that a larger container would be needed. Donald |
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The Napa stuff wouldn't even take the paint off my carbs and that was after days of soaking! |
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MI-nick
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sure is... |
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watrski
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I throw all of the small airplane parts in that stuff to strip the paint off. Works great! |
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TRBenj
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Thats the same stuff I used on mine... good enough to strip the dichromate finish off a Holley if you soak it too long! (Dont ask me how I know.)
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8122pbrainard
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Nick, That's good stuff according to Billy. I wish I had found it for my last carb rebuild. I ended up with a 5 gal. pail of Napa brand and it was pretty weak. |
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I will take my whippin sir. I thought I had it right but will defer for a score of 50%. MEK is good stuff. Lethal of course but it works for cleaning stuff thats got goo on it. The parts washer might have lots of different stuff in it, but it certainly is WAY more effective than a spray can that some of these posts are eluding to. And Air can push a too big granule tight into an orifice, and there it will stay. Allowing amatuers the opportunity to improve on the time it took to rebuild the first time. How do I know? Yup been there. I can rebuild my snowmobile mikunis now on a hotel counter in about 20 minutes.
So what is the toughest stuff available for todays parts washer suitable for a carb? Is it worth it or just a waste of money and farm out the job to the guys at the local airport? |
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Bruce
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MI-nick
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i used this
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8122pbrainard
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Bruce, I feel you are misinformed or are using the wrong terms. Boiling in a tank was commonly used (some shops still have them) for dropping an engine block into a heated tank filled with a caustic - typically sodium hydroxide. The parts washer is for just general degreasing and typically uses a stodard solvent and not MEK. The aerospace guys still use a vapor degreaser with TCE in it. We have one here at the plant and it is truely the best way to completely degrease a part since you are not recirculating dirty solvent back over the part like a parts washer does. Carb cleaning buckets of a solvent mix are available at all auto parts stores. This is what you want to soak your carb in. |
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Boiling is an old term. It means to take the parts and put them in a parts washer which has very nasty chemicals like MEK inside. The little gooseneck tube pumps this fluid thorough whatever part you aim it at and hence boiling, for the constant movement of the fluid.
Most parts stores dont have this stuff anymore and new fuels are so mild, that they dont require its use. Check at your local airport. Those guys still have really strong stuff to do airplane parts with. Ask an old timer at the greasiest garage in town. He might know a guy who knows a guy. The technique really works and your parts will look like brand new after an overnight boil! |
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Bruce
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Harbor freight has one that goes on sale every once in a while. Have been wanting to get one for a while. |
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we use an ultrasonic washer for the carbs at the shop
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P71_CrownVic
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Don't take it the wrong way..I wasn't trying to be an ass. It just seems like a TON of people haven't a clue as to what macro mode is and I try and educate when I can. No harm, no foul. |
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If you put it back together and there's a bunch of extra piece left over, that's ok.
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