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    Posted: October-25-2008 at 12:27am
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Looking good, I can't wait to see it when you get it finished.
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I finally started to apply the epoxy bottom repair. I think I may have made a mistake by grinding off some crystalized fiberglass along the edges. It's going to take a little more work than thought to build them back up but it's do-able.

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pmallinson, I've sent you pictures to your e-mail address. Good luck with your project. You are not alone.   Farmer
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Originally posted by farmer farmer wrote:

Here are some pictures of my home made gelcoat remover.It took about two hours to strip the bottom of my mustang 17 but there is still a lot of finish work to do as seen in the picture of the boat bottom. Farmer



the picture of the bottom makes it look smoother than it actually is but not bad.


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I'm also needing to strip the pint from my 20' fibre glass boat as its been brush painted by previous owner and looks a mess. I have attacked a small area but good God its thick and well stuck it'll take me a year to do it by hand scraping and sanding.
Hence I was also looking at the Marine Shaver but not only do they want $660 but also $150 for P&P to Ireland !!
I cannot See your photo's on this posting so could you please email me your home made stripper so I can get some ideas to make my own if need be please.

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Eric, I should have said Mas and not West. Now you won't need to get out the check book!


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Farmer you can clear over anything, except oil
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because you wear overalls?

ryan your in the range
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Why do you think they call me farmer????
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 79nautique Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February-27-2007 at 7:46pm
I've never heard of the water reacting with the epoxy resin. So if I read you right then it's that some uncured/poorly cured section of resin activating with the water causing the issue. Ok I'll by that it must be the presence of extra hydrogen molcules kicking off the resin again creating the pressure, not a chemist but sounds logical. Good line of bullsh*t if it isn't anyway. It's like the sign my dad has in his office, if you can't dazzle them with brillence (sp) baffle them with bullsh*t.
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79nautique,I agree with part of your blister explanation but not all.Yes the water does eventually pa$$ through the gel and cannot readily pa$$ back out again.But the reason has everything to do with what's underneath the gelcoat and not the gelcoat itself.The water collects in voids and dissolves unreacted resin.This forms an acid that attracts more water and eventually builds up enough pressure to cause a blister because like you said,the acid/water will not pa$$ back through.And from what I've read,you're also right about the possibility of blistering over epoxy although to a much lesser extent.   Farmer
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ohhh yea forgot price point...range from 4800 to 6800....bill marshall did a few eric...
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quick question...i know a few people down here on my lake had their entire nautiques re gel koted, different colors some same etc...i never knew you could paint the whole boat...is paint a lot cheaper?...can you paint over existing gel kote?...im getting ideas!!!!
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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Farmer, Since you are putting on the CPES and thickened epoxy the chances of getting blistering are slim if you put the gel back on.



that's not true, it will have no barring what so ever whether it will blister or not. Blistering is all in the gel-kote and has nothing to do with the fibergla$$ underneth (sp) it. Water will pa$$ thru the gel and gets' stopped by the fibergla$$ and if it cannot pa$$ back thru the gel-kote then it will blister again.

Not trying to be a prick or anything that's just how blisters occur and it can occur on any boat at any time, makes no difference of the material used or processed used to apply the gel-kote. Your best defense is keeping the hull clean and free of wax and not letting it sit in the water for extended periods of time and if you do leave it in the water for extended periods you really need to scrub the hull often to keep it clean from scum and algee that could trap water in the gel-kote.
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I was thinking of having a sign painter do the stripe and lettering.Can I clear coat over the entire side including the remaining gelcoat?
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Anytime i see that word West i think get out the checkbook
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Farmer, Since you are putting on the CPES and thickened epoxy the chances of getting blistering are slim if you put the gel back on. Since you are coating with the epoxy, check into the barrier coat addatives. In the WEST system, it's their # 422. I'm going to lean towards putting the gel back on.

Great job so far. Love how you made the removal tool with the angle grinder!


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alot also depends what the owner wants and how he will take care of the boat over the next 10 or so years.. im with you for durability BD i would use the Imron.
For looks i would go bc/cc, that gives you the oppertunity to stripe her and clear over decals if any. remember there are cheap clears and good clears. cars hold up well in the sun as will a boat
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Eric, I gotta go with the Imron,have one white and one yellow. The yellow is ten years old and still shines and looks as good as day one, and has had a lot of salt water time.
The down side about that stuff is it's bad ,or should I say not "GREEN".Harmful to anything that eats,breaths or walks, but any two part epoxy coatings are......boat dr
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Im not a big fan of Gel coat either, Gel coat has a purpose, it is used as a mold release when the hull is manufactured.
they make amazing products to paint boats, my first choice would be base coat clear coat,The clears nowadays have UV protecters in it and holds up well. anything that says marine on it is twice the price for the same product.
Allgrip great but so is the price, Imron is also very durable.....
anyone else?....
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If your going to paint it and not use gel-kote then you won't have any blisters again, but if you spray gel-kote back on then you might get blisters again at some point.
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I am taking off the gel only to the waterline.The rest of the gel should clean up much nicer than I could do with my limited talent.My plan is to build coats of epoxy starting with CPES and finishing with epoxy mixed with thickeners to fair the surface.I have a friend with a spray booth who will shoot the epoxy with awlgrip or something similar. No more blisters.I will hide most of the seam under the stripe along the side.Does anyone see any problems with this plan? I am open to suggestions.   Farmer
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Farmer, what's next?
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cool thing to do!!!....pretty neat tool
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hey farmer 2 hours to strip..........20000 to paint   lol   eric   nice job
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Farmer, nice job making the tool, Good ole Yankee Ingenuity I don't know how you guy down south do it. I use the winter to get caught up on all my "Honey Dos" before I get the boats out. Once the boats are out, no more "honey dos"
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Gary we'll let you know how the water was later today, mid to upper 70's and John's new hot rod should be fun.
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jbear,winter gives us time to work on our boats and not feel bad that we're not out on the water.   farmer
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Wow, I agree, that is a scary lookin picture!
Looks like lotsa work.
BTW: what is that ugly looking white stuff along the driveway? Looks nasty as well.

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