Obamacare savings

Looks startling to be sure, but I this is just a text of a chain e-mail thats been out since 2009 with fabricated numbers that are totally false. Nothing but BS.

I recieved the numbers from a usually reliable source, but here is my own fact check. these are exerts from a Bloomberg article from yesterday titled "Can't raise taxes? Hike Medicare premiums instead."

"For example, when Obama talks about raising taxes on the rich, he means individuals making more than $200,000 a year and families above $250,000."

"But his health care law fixed the level for paying "high-income" Medicare premiums at the current $85,000 and above for an individual, $170,000 for families."

"Next year, a typical Medicare recipient will pay $131 a month for outpatient and drug coverage combined, according to Kaiser. Those paying the high-income premiums will pay from $183 to $417. That means beneficiaries at the highest income levels would pay nearly $300 a month more."


So in one year medicare premiums for some will go up 250%. Imagine if the oil companies , cable companiees, Insurance companies or private medical systems raised their rates by 250% in a year. they would be called up in front of congress. When people raise prices on only a segment of the population after a national disaster it is called price gouging. More importantly we were told Obama care would reduce costs. I cant feel the people paying 250% more are thinking that is a savings. even the base rate is going from $96.40 to $136, a 41% increase this year. I wish I could find the rates for 2014.

eric lavine wrote: lets see, under Bush, i had 156,000 in my IRA, 2 years later it was just under 87,000.00    I'll take the expensive healthcare

Eric, I'm with you on this one. If and when I retire, and am making over $170,000 a year, and my wife and I are on Medicare, I will gladly pay the $400 a month since I can afford it, no question about it. The people on average retirement income won't be paying this and I will not begrudge them at all.

Along with all of this say goodbye to any new technology developments in the future.

No Competition = no technology.

how the fck did we manage to do it 20 years ago? I browse the charts, there are other countries out there that live longer than us, so who has better healthcare? and do it for less?

Great Healthcare does not equal living longer. We have a lower life expectancy because we make some of the unhealthiest choices as a society. We eat terrible, we walk no where, I could go on and on. We are one of the most obese if not the most obese countries, period. Diabetes, heart disease, strokes,high blood pressure; most common major conditions are diet related. This kind of stuff is what blows up your healthcare system because they are ongoing lifelong conditions that only lead to more expenses. The average organ transplant costs 300,000-400,000, so when someone blows up their pancreas from 20 years of bad choices thats another half million that insurance has to pay, if you have it. 26 million people in the US have diabetes. So do the math.

WE ARE THE PROBLEM!! Things were better 20 years ago because we have gotten worse. Check out this link to the CDC on obesity. If we took care of ourselves healthcare costs would decrease dramatically. Thats why its more expensive now. No smoke and mirrors no dissapearing money.
Everyone wants to blame the government, banks, hospitals their neighbors for what is wrong. We as a society have control over all this and pretty much caused and continue to cause, the issues we have. We need to accept this and change.

yes unfortunately what this legislation has done so far is spook everyone in the medical field into not spending any money. So its becoming a little bit of a self fulfilling prophecy. People dont do well with the unknown. I am neither for nor against it yet, I thinks unfortunate it has caused this gridlock. We just need to accept the fact this is not the governments job to fix health care. It is ours.

i would think the funeral business has a big smile, the coffin makers have to make bigger coffins lol,
im on the same wavelength as you logan, never seen a fat ass 60 year old

not exactly
someday the big picture will hit you smack dead in the face.

i think weve discussed what i invest in nowadays, something i can hold in my hand, and it cant get stolen from me

silver is down again, time to buy
you righties stockpile bullets, I'll stockpile silver

I finally found out what GOP stands for, the greedy one percenters, are you guys loaded and part of that 17% tax rate group? or just plain ole republicans? smoke and mirrors fella's

like to see who benefited the most from the Iraq war and the big oil spill

im having such a hard time with you guys lately, wtf, Hard no one benefited? when we talk about benefiting im not talking about slipping out the back door with a new set of boots, were talking about billions of dollars, there are still contractors over in Iraq, the fcn embassy is housing 17,000 people, its a fcn compound.
now, i did some reading last night, the tax rate in the 1950's was 91% on personal income in graduations, so hypothetically if a tax rate like this was in place today it would discourage (the greedy one percenters)to take home 100 million dollar paycheck and bonuses, that tax rate was designed to encourage the CEO's to not make that type of salary, in my eyes a hero, Jim Sinegal CEO of Costco, brings home 350k with about a 190k bonus, he needs no more than that.
so at the end of the day, these big guys that you guys coddle, idolize,and bow too, take home a couple hundred millies and dont re-invest to put people to work. me the 95% ers, (small business) which obviously small businesses are the brunt of the economies driving wheel pay the fcn taxes at a top rate.
The guys that put these laws into place are the greedy one percenters, the ones who benefit, If you cant see a problem, stay with that party,
A guy Like Sinegal, is right in line with salary, a million tops, nobdy and i mean nobody deserves or is entitled to taking home a 100 million dollar paycheck, it breeds greed, corruption. it turned into a free for all and not free enterprise. At the end of the day, we went into Iraq for the sole purpose of greed, and I dont care what you say but Haliburton and that rotten bastard Cheney got us in that bull*************** and profited as did with the oil spill BS, that rig was so fcd up and they looked the other way, because they could.
We really got to get these tax codes back in line and the top one percenters have to pay more taxes, its creating a burden on a small business guy like me living paycheck to paycheck, i may not be as smart or as corrupt as them, but i will tell you that i work as hard as them and i would happily settle for a 350k salary, and the consequences if I opted to make 100 million dollar salary i would surely agree toa 91% tax bracket which then i would know to keep my salary at the 350k

if the tax rate was 91% chances are we wouldve never even heard of Iraq or Osama or even the Taliban, these guys we put power are smart they are out for themselves, they create these situations just like the housing crises, the towers, wmd, and they profit, pretty evil i would say