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eric lavine
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reidp
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Sorry I missed this earlier Randy. I know we talked a bit up at GL and glad to hear you're seriously considering it. Before buying our small Class C last March, I'd been thru owning a large pull behind and then the rentals as well, and just from my experience you would enjoy the heck out of the MH. Laurie and I were out to get the smallest rig with adequate towing capacity that could find because of some of the indirect reasons already stated. Here are a few thoughts based on this. You went in ours, and at just 23' it can get cramped for a family of five. For road trips no problem, as the 5 of us and 2 dogs had an easy time traveling the 800 miles up with Alan's new boat in tow. But we wanted the smallest one, not just for price, but for convenience of parking and maneuvering about, and also so that Laurie could drive it with confidence (I gotta sleep sometime). And we've driven the wheels off ours so far, racking up 20K miles since March, and we've enjoyed every minute. Unfortunately, the shorter and even lighter units don't save as much on fuel as I'd hoped they would, as it's the hole in the air you're punching that kills your mileage. And with that in mind, the large pull behind you mentioned would drag your 'Yota mileage down below 10mph. We're on a E350 chassic like Critter, but with the small V-10, and pulling a boat like yours, and not running over 65, the best you'll muster is maybe 8.5mpg. Without a boat, I've seen a best of right at 10mph, and that was only running +/-60mph. As for the size, I can park in most parking lots if I can back in and overhang the curb. You're gonna use it mainly to travel in and then sleep, so I'd try to keep it as small as you can stand, UNLESS, like that one you're looking at, the price is right and you don't plan on a bunch of long trips. You just can't get beat up for $5K. A lot of fun for the money.
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Randy_in_Ohio
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Nice pic there Justin. I don't know about the tribal markings, and I don't have any tattoos.... but I was definitely thinking a big Nautique logo would be in order! I love the way Reid did the logo on his, very cool. Give me a call when you have a minute, I want to ask you a question about that paint you ordered from DIM. 3-30.704-63-34 anytime after 4PM is good for me. |
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Randy_in_Ohio
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Thanks for all the feedback guys. I knew you guys would provide some great feedback to help me decide if this would be right for us.
I am really thinking this old Winnie may be the way to go. I don't plan on pulling the boat very often with it but, I would like to have the option if needed. There is a storage lot right up the road from the lake we frequent that I think I could store it at. this would eliminate a lot of the worries of pulling the boat a long distance with it. I will probably want to keep it somewhere besides my driveway anyway. since I don't think this one is going anywhere until spring time, I think I will continue to look around to see what is available. I like the 5k price tag, at that price I don't have to worry so much about beating it up and backing it into things. like I said, I have never drove anything this large before. If I do decide to get this one I am going to have to take it for a drive because I want to make sure the front end is pretty tight and the steering and brakes are good. Their is no way my wife would ever consider driving this rig or a C class rig for that matter or even my truck pulling the boat or anything else. So the MH seems to be the only way to go if we want to be able to pick up and move around. I think for the price, if I don't like it, I should be able to recoup my money from it and go another route. |
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81nautique
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Reid, I don't think either one of us got 6 mpg the day we tandemed down to lake Clinton LOl.
Reid was following our Motorhome in his Class C towing our boat. He kept pulling up real close behind us so I thought he wanted to go faster, again and again. We ran between 65-70 most of the way passing cars on a 2 lane road. When we got to the lake he said "man you drive fast" I said "well you kept pushing so I kept going faster" and he laughed that he was only drafting me for better gas mileage. That was about the faster we ever made it the lake. LOL That Triton in his class C hauls the mail because he made every pass I made and he was towing 4500#. We kept watching in the rear Camera thinking he'll never pull out but he stayed right with us. |
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Jllogan
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What paint? |
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reidp
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Yep Alan, and I think I got GPM's and not MPG's on that run, but it sure was fun! I've been reading the RV threads on increasing fuel mileage and found one guy who notes, "the only legitimate change I found that works for sure, is to leave two hours earlier". I'm trying to do it myself and we've now imposed a 60mph speed limit on the Nautique Toaster, as my brother-in-law refers to our little square RV as. |
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peter1234
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I wonder why there arent more diesels in those ford chassis class cs it would seem to make sense , its another 10 grand up front but wouldnt the savings come right back in say 5 yrs?
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reidp
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Good question Peter, as I've wondered myself. If there's a scenario that the diesel could be justified, I'd think this would be it. However, not having actually done the math yet, you typically have to run up a ton of miles on the diesel rig to offset the costs, and most of the Class C RVs rarely see 50k miles before the rest of the unit is worn or ragged out. But traditionally, the heavier the load, the greater percentage-wise the fuel savings. With the current $.70/gal delta between gas and diesel it makes for a harder sell. Also, because of the generator, you're upgrading 2 engines to diesel. Where I'd really like it the most is for the pulling power. |
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peter1234
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That all makes sense. and as for pulling power i guess the v 10 or bb chev would do as much as you could ask for a motor ...advantage to the chev obviously
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reidp
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BB Chevy ? Didn't it go out some time ago? I think there's a reason that Ford pretty much owns the RV chassis world these days.......pulling advantage to the Ford obviously . While the Chevys definitely make some HP, the Ford will yank out a stump, and ironically a skier, with the best of them. |
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eric lavine
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peter1234
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Thank you Eric...
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reidp
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Whaaaaaaat? All i was saying is that GM's not making the 454, 496, 502, or any big block any longer for a new vehicle; are they? So by virtue of the V-10 being bigger and having more torque than the 6.0 or 6.2 GM, you're seeing the vast majority of new Class C's now going with Fords. And as most people know, the GM big block is/was actually larger than the V-10, (6.8 vs 7.4, 8.1, 8.2) so the GM BB certainly should have had more power than the standard V-10 in a Class C. Ford makes a 3V version V-10 for big Class A units but we're talking the standard for a more apples to apples comparison on the Class C's. I don't think there are any GM chassis' being used for gas Class A's now. And I can't imagine for even a second that you'd argue that a Ford won't pull a skier:)
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81nautique
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There are no GM chassis period. GM sold Workhorse several years ago and Workhorse looked like it was going to take over the market for class A's but they had some brake problems that still have not been overcome and fell flat on their face. Add the fact that there were very few authorized Workhorse services centers hurts too, a traveler in a Class A would rather be able to stop in at almost any Ford dealer for service where a Workhorse rig really has an issue with authorized service and warranty work. Ford has a lock on the class A market hands down.
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kapla
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Randy
thats a deal..buy it and bring it here...you can triple the price..lol.. check this one on the local ebay..81 smaller than the one you are looking..asking price 49K... winnebago in argentina |
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lewy2001
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Same here Kap the one that Randy is looking at would make at least $20K in Australia.
Randy it is so "old skool cool" I think you will need to get a older boat to make it a matching retro rig setup. I used to own a onsite motor home type setup on the water when the kids were growing up. The family memories will be worth 100 times that $5k asking price. |
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peter1234
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reid you are right , its just us chevy fans reminiscing . I wish all boats steered on the left and jet boats would go faster with bb chevs but alas we have to rest on our laurels of olden day when most records in every facet of racing were set by chevs .................
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reidp
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Darn it Peter, I knew it was only time before you threw that trump car. I'll concede for now and will continue to look to future, and present, as everyone from the press to the dragstrips knows the new Mustang OWNS the new Camaro. How boring would it be if there was no competition?
EDIT: Guys I apologize as I know this is a thread about RVs and Randy's hopefully pending purchase. The Redneck in Reid just got the best of me |
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it is kind of boring...
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Randy_in_Ohio
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That is unbelievable Kap! I found out today the NADA retail price on this is actually only $1,750. Which got me thinking... Although I like the idea of being able to get in and drive this thing anywhere, I think we may be better off in a pull behind. That way I could set it up in a campground either on or real close to a lake and keep it ready to go. and during the summer Paula can take the kids there if she wants or get down there before me and get stuff set up. thinking more about the cost of insurance, gas, repairs.... and the thought of having to fix that floor. I could get a nice pull behind with more room for under 10k. I have time to think about this. Your guys input has been really helpful. |
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must_dash
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Not being in the US, what's the difference between a Class A and a Class C motorhome?
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harddock
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If you really want a trailer and might consider a 5th wheel I have a 2009 32' bunk house For Sale. We went from a 35 MH to the 5er and now because of job changes never get to use it.
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eric lavine
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class A, are hot chicks, class c, are your normal trailer park chicks,
speaking of, must dash, lets see some of the locals |
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Randy_in_Ohio
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Kevin, I looked into a 5th wheel. But when I looked into the hitch I kinda ruled it out. From what I gathered, because I do not have an 8ft bed, I would need a hitch that slides backward and then forward when turning. The one that was recommended was $1,800! That's when I ruled that option out, and it seems a lot of the 5th wheel floor plans while really nice, don't accommodate a lot of people. They also tend to be more pricy and I'm looking to test the waters without getting in too deep. |
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Randy_in_Ohio
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... and an old conversion van is a Brunstucky chick |
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Jllogan
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Whatever you get it has to be tall enough for me to sleep under right?
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Randy_in_Ohio
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Absolutely Justin! |
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must_dash
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So Eric let me get this right.
We tow our CCs behind a class A and anything else behind a class C? What do you tow behind a Brunstucky chick? Here in Italy most campers are either coachbuilt chassis conversions or cab and chassis with a home build on. VWs van based campers are still popular and getting quite valuable, especially the 70's round front, split screens are really expensive. A friend just imported a bay front from California to Italy as it was cheaper. A lot of the van based motorhomes are overloaded when build and have very little payload available and generally the tow weights are low. European styling is something like. . Obviously there are loads of older vans around that are starting to look a bit hillbilly. |
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harddock
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Well your in luck because I'm throwing im a slider hitch. It also has a soft ride system and front stbilozers for when its off the truck. The layout is a room over the truck with a couch, with fold down bunk above and at a 90 are two more bunks. this room can be closed off from the rest. The kitchette and couch in LR can be made into beds and there is a queen bed in the bedroom, This baby can hold some guests. |
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