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JohnnyT 
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I have a 1977 Ski Tique. Originaly I bought the boat for the motor, but after running the boat I realized I dont have the heart to butcher this boat. It is a cool boat. I want to restore it. The boat needs some body work, which I can do. Should I paint it? If so, what kind of paint. I have used Bright side in the past, but I want the best that I can do with this boat. Thanks JohnnyT
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TRBenj
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Posted: December-01-2011 at 1:21pm |
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No, dont paint it. Try to repair with gelcoat if you can. Post some pictures and we can help point you in the right direction.
Welcome to CCF! Where abouts in NY are you? |
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Posted: December-01-2011 at 2:18pm |
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I agree! |
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JohnnyT
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Posted: December-01-2011 at 3:13pm |
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I am in Scotia, NY. just outside of Albany.
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TRBenj
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Posted: December-01-2011 at 3:15pm |
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Do you boat on the Mohawk? Ive got family in the area.
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JohnnyT
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Posted: December-01-2011 at 3:16pm |
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This is the best picture I have. The gelcoat is pretty faded and it has alot of scratches. What is the down side of painting it? |
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TRBenj
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Posted: December-01-2011 at 3:20pm |
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It looks pretty good in the picture! To be clear, the yellow graphics are painted over the white gelcoat on the hull. Repainting the yellow would be appropriate if its showing a lot of wear. Painting the hull itself would not be ideal, as the original finish (gelcoat) is much thicker and harder than any kind of paint. Paint will therefore be easier to scratch or damage, and it cant be repaired easily like gel. Small cracks and chips in the gel can be spot repaired. Fading, oxidation and minor scratches can be removed by wetsanding and/or buffing.
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Jllogan
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Posted: December-01-2011 at 3:28pm |
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I agree, paint is a last resort. I think you will be pleasantly surprised with the results of wetsanding and buffing. My boat was really bad when I got and the gel really came back nicely. Just invest in a good power buffer and some aspirin for your shoulder. Cheaper than painting too, if you buy good paint that is.
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Posted: December-01-2011 at 3:30pm |
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ny_nautique
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Posted: December-01-2011 at 3:33pm |
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Johnny - is that the one that was at Mohawk Valley Marine? There is/was one there before Irene that was a total wreck inside. I have pics on my phone from it. There was no cover on it and I wonder what Irene did to it. Everything there was underwater, including where that boat was. Although yours looks cleaner than the one I saw, it is the same color scheme.
I would NOT paint it. You should be able to bring that back to life. I'm in Latham and am currently working on my 84 Nautique. You can see some of what I'm doing here. Edit: after looking at the link/pics Tim posted, that is obviously not the basket case that I saw at Mohawk Valley Marine. |
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JohnnyT
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Posted: December-01-2011 at 3:47pm |
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This boat came from Lake Placid. The inside needs some work, but it has no rips or tares. Everything on this boat is original. I would like the boat to look like new again. This boat is a vintage Hot Rod. I dont know anything about gel coat. That is why I thought about painting it.I will try sanding and buffing it. I lived on Old niskayuna road growing up.
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TRBenj
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Posted: December-01-2011 at 4:14pm |
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Gelcoat is great- you can bring a faded, worn finish back to life using basic hand tools and some elbow grease. If youre shooting for an original restoration (which I would applaud) then definitely dont consider paint.
Not sure if you saw my question- are you planning to use the boat on the Mohawk? |
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ny_nautique
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Posted: December-01-2011 at 4:34pm |
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Off topic... John I see you're an electrician. Are you looking for work? I'm trying to find a 2nd electrician to work out of my Colonie office doing lighting installs and retrofits.
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GottaSki
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Posted: December-01-2011 at 4:57pm |
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How can ivory fade?
Wetsand 600 then 3m superduty its azz |
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8122pbrainard
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Posted: December-01-2011 at 5:02pm |
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John,
The usual question I ask is have you checked the condition of the stringers yet? I have a 77 and it needed a stringer job several years ago. Welcome to CCfan. I too would applaud an original restoration. Don't wet sand the graphics off until you get a tracing. You'll need the tracing to have a paint mask made. |
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Posted: December-01-2011 at 10:44pm |
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Welcome to the site Johnny,
I like your attitude about wanting to save an old boat. The guys are right about the gel. It will shine like new with a little work. |
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Gary S
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Posted: December-01-2011 at 11:17pm |
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Welcome John. Here are the standard pictures I post when someone asks about painting their boat. Wet sanded and buffed the original gel. You have nothing to lose by trying it first.
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vondy
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Posted: December-02-2011 at 5:10pm |
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Guys has anyone used any type of electric sander for wet sanding? I know most use a DA but I don't have a compressor large enough to handle that. I thought they made an electric one but I'm probably wrong.
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TRBenj
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Posted: December-02-2011 at 5:20pm |
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That would be news to me... I thought most people do it by hand (as I do). I know Sanity had decent luck with an electric D/A after she sprayed the gel on her Stang, though. |
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Posted: December-02-2011 at 5:21pm |
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They do, I used a festool, but they are not cheap (you could buy a compressor and a DA for the price). Im not sure using an electric sander not meant for that is a good idea. I supposes it could work, wear rubber gloves.
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vondy
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Posted: December-02-2011 at 5:44pm |
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Guess I meant most people who use a machine rather than by hand use a DA. I did a small sample by hand when I was winterizing. It looked great but took a lot of work just to do a 6x6 area with the first grit alone. I don't think I would have an arm left doing the whole boat by hand. Festool has a wet sander? I'd love to have some Festool tools, but yeah, they are expensive. |
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Jllogan
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Posted: December-02-2011 at 6:10pm |
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Yes, most of their RO sanders can be used wet or dry. This is the setup I used. festool |
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Gary S
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Posted: December-03-2011 at 12:47pm |
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I used a D/A because I'm lazy
 I started with 220 and ended up with 1000 I would stay away from electric, that and water don't mix.That festool is crazy money- how about using something made for that exact job? Smaller orbit than a da to keep swirling down.
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Posted: December-03-2011 at 7:12pm |
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Jonny T, sharp boat, good luck with you project. Gary S, those gel coat restorations photos are amazinng, one can see why all you experts recommend to redo/ sand the gel.
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8122pbrainard
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Posted: December-04-2011 at 11:56am |
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I use an electric! Maybe it's all those safety meetings you go to with the warnings about getting too high in that bucket that has you concerned!  BTW, A GFI is a good idea on an electric but I never use one.
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Gary S
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Posted: December-04-2011 at 12:15pm |
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Yea Pete I have seen sparks fly a few times over the years.Us low voltage techs do respect the Com Ed guys-
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Posted: December-04-2011 at 12:49pm |
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3m trizact, 3000 grit and soap and water, prefered to use on a Dynabrade DA, (made in the US) this will cut your buff time in half, trust me, when you pay someone to buff you dont want him on it all day
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Posted: December-04-2011 at 12:56pm |
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Dr Stevens, I'm no expert I just followed what was done by the ones who are.Thats just one of the great things that Keith has brought together here.If your thinking of trying something just ask,someone has already done it.There are many of us that would not even attempted some of these projects,but the guys here are helpful and encourage you to do your best. I had tried buffing my boat many times,it just would not last.I was told you have to sand it which at first sounds wrong but it worked. Since it was so heavily abused it will never be perfect, but I'm very happy how it turned out.
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Got Tiques
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Posted: December-04-2011 at 1:58pm |
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JohnnyT, I am also in Scotia, and ski on the Mohawk at JJ's with the US Water Ski Show Team. I also know Jeff Toro from this Site and work. Call me at 878-3545 and maybe we could hook up as I am always working on my CC's. I can offer help or learn from you. Thanks. Todd Benjamin
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Posted: December-06-2011 at 11:56pm |
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Todd
Thanks for the invite. I will call you. Funny how small the world is. You worked with my father at GE. Does Toftegaard ring a bell? |
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