Way to go GM !!

1 cheer for GM doing it with a bailout, funding the unions at the expense of its creditors. Three cheers for Ford doing it on their own!!!!!

I'm with OMH...I am proud of both but more of Ford. I do have to say that comparing American cars, Ford is winning out in a lot of areas of design and technology. I like where they're headed. GM and Chrysler/Dodge aren't far behind.

I have to take my POS 2006 Chevy Cobalt back into the shop after work today. After spending over $800 on struts, control arms, wheel bearings, stabilizer ends, steering linkage, etc. etc.... I still have a clunking noise when I turn the wheel to the left! I bought this car to save money on gas as opposed to driving my 07 Tundra 70+ miles back and forth to work everyday and I thought it would be a good car for Ashley to learn to drive on when she turns 16...

It had been a while since I owned a GM product, figured I would give it another go. Never Again, I'm done with GM. We shouldn't have bailed them out and just let nature run it's course!

BTW. My two current Toyota's (07 tundra and 05 Camry) have NEVER been in a shop, except for replacing the tires! I owned a '98 Tacoma before the Tundra that I drove for 6 years and put over 80k miles on it and it never needed anything but a set of brakes and tires.

Randy from Japan? and lets be fair here and discuss the bazillion dollar frame issues with the rotted Tacoma frames, which was a silent recall, was the frozen Tundra involved?

step up and buy a cadillac

"the Chevy Samurai"

Randy_in_Ohio wrote: I have to take my POS 2006 Chevy Cobalt back into the shop after work today. After spending over $800 on struts, control arms, wheel bearings, stabilizer ends, steering linkage, etc. etc.... I still have a clunking noise when I turn the wheel to the left!

Sounds more like a POS repair shop rather than the car.

A few stubborn facts to consider on a polarizing topic for my intelligent CCF friends.

1. The Toyota Tacoma was built by UAW workers in the NUMMI GM / Toyota joint venture auto manufacturing plant in Fremont California where they built both GM and Toyota brands from 1984 - 2010.

2. The rusted frames where made by an American auto parts manufacturer called Dana in Toledo Ohio and sold to light truck manufacturers.

3. The same frames were sold to other light truck manufacturers including Dodge. Toyota on there own offered to buy back the over five years of rust prone frames. A good thing.

Rich

well now we ruffled some feathers, really funny how i can notice the economy is picking up, and GM is selling some cars, i really dont think its about whats better or not, you guys live in the past......you remember when, 19hundred and eighty five, you know, when a comapny would give you money to retire on.
if i recall, i have purchased about 10 brand new American in the last 30 years and cant recall any problems with them, when your beloved Nautique blows an engine you guys dont run out and buy a Mastercraft?

i sit here and wonder if you guys would go and buy a toyota Epic boat, if so why and if not why?

Sorry Eric, but we learn from our experiences. Fool me once shame on you, twice...., I touched a hot stove once, I do not need to try it again every ten years. My practice wife let me down 17 years ago, I cant see going back that way either. American car companies knew what they were making in the 80's and choose short term profit over quality. they have to live with their decision. I talked my mom into buying a 2004 Saturn Vue with the Honda Accord 250hp v6. It goes like a rocket, very reliable and is plastic so it will never rust. Service was great too until Obama got involved. Now she has a car from a company that is out of business....Shame on me.

eric lavine wrote: you bought the equivalant of a Toyota Corolla, not a Camry.....the Cobalt is a throw away car, just like the Chevette, well I bought a Bayliner to ski with.................................

Why would any car company design a car to be a "throw away cay"? This is the reason people who bought a Chevette back in the '80's won't buy a Chevy today! You see, It's bad business to build a POS car and then just tell the customer that it is a "throw-away car" and they need to buy a new POS ever five years!

The reason most of us would buy a new CC over a MC is because we have experienced a quality product and know we can expect quality from CC!

I see 15+ year old Corolla's and Civic's everyday going up and down I-77. They may not look pretty but they're still on the road!

This car was built in 2006, it's 6 years old and has 115k miles on it. Why does it sound like its falling apart when I drive it down the road?

eric lavine wrote: step up and buy a cadillac

Really?... So I have to spend over 40K to get a decent car from GM? I would rather put that kind of money toward a new CC!

Besides, my Grandmother used to always buy Cadillac's and they were always having problems! She bought a 2003 Avalon new and has not had one problem with it to this day (It only has about 20k miles on it, grandma don't drive much (thank God!!!...))

PAPA wrote: Randy_in_Ohio wrote: I have to take my POS 2006 Chevy Cobalt back into the shop after work today. After spending over $800 on struts, control arms, wheel bearings, stabilizer ends, steering linkage, etc. etc.... I still have a clunking noise when I turn the wheel to the left! Sounds more like a POS repair shop rather than the car.

My Brother-in-Law and I did the work.

Perhaps it was the crappy Chinese replacement parts I bought. You would think that if you have an American car, you could find American parts for it. Not so. I bought American when I had the option (Timken wheel bearings) but most of the parts I bought weren't even available from anywhere but China! Sad huh?

The car is now at a trusted repair shop that has been in business for a very long time. They, have told me that they have a LOT of issues with these cars...

OverMyHead wrote: Sorry Eric, but we learn from our experiences. Fool me once shame on you, twice...., I touched a hot stove once, I do not need to try it again every ten years. My practice wife let me down 17 years ago, I cant see going back that way either. American car companies knew what they were making in the 80's and choose short term profit over quality. they have to live with their decision.

Right on Dave.

so now that you let it all out, go test drive a f250, A fushion, a cadillac? time to switch back