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    Posted: February-08-2012 at 11:46am
Hey Guys,

about 8 months ago I bought an 1986 SN 2001 off this website and I had huge dreams of doing a restoration on the boat. I got a fair deal knowing the floor was soft and a researched on here which lead to me thinking the stringers were bad as well.

I thought I would do the job myself but with going offshore most of 2011 I never found the time.

I recently dropped it off in humble to get the floor and stringers quoted. 2600. I didnt think that was bad with carpet and everything installed.

I got the uphostery quote today and they came in at 2300 for all seats rebuilt and covered.

I know most of you like to repair your boats at the house but for me thats not an option.


Can any one tell me if these prices are fair?

this is a pic of the day i picked it up and stopped off to put new tires on.


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I have already approved the work for the floor, stringers, and carpet.

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People in the know are going to say you should have asked before you ok'ed the work and that it sounds too cheap,I think the materials alone add up to that
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The quote for the floor and stringers was 2000 and the carpet installed was 500.

Your saying that I might get a bad job? I had them sign a warranty.
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Really poor clip...but you get the point

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Not saying they will do a poor job. There are ways to cut costs (buying materials in bulk for one) but the amount of labor involved makes it very hard to profit from a business standpoint.

Guys here on the site have seen some really half a@# jobs done by "professionals"

I'd just make sure to ask lots of questions, pictures and a material list so you know exactly what's going into your boat.
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Well when I went to the shop and talked with the guy doing the work he honestly made me feel like he new what it would take and that he was a stand up guy. Personally I feel if we can't trust in others and we can't go on a gut feeling about a situation nothing would get done.

Although you make valid points and I see what your saying. I guess I am just going to have to have some faith in the situation.

What are your thoughts on the upholstery quote?
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From the looks of the cuts made in the main stringers, I'm getting the idea that he's going to just scab in some new ones under the engine.


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Andrew, I'd just want to make sure he document's his process. Trust is not the issue here. The issue (IMHO) is making sure he's not going to scab something together putting you back into the same situation in 5 years.   

I'd want to know if he uses CPES, Epoxy resin, doug fir and how he plans to put it all back together?

If you're going to spend that type of $ with the guy, you should be able to ask away.

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I think "I" would want to see the stringers before they are covered and if not "right" or complete you could correct the situation then.

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well my guess is this is where he will cut corners is materials. If you used pressure treated pine from the home stores and poly resin no CPES, you could really keep your material costs down. Probably wont layer any glass over a plywood floor. I would say you could have materials around 800 dollars.

I know that methodology is not in line what we would do but I bet for a budget job thats what will happen. It could make it 10 years maybe.
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I sent over a verification email about the materials but I remember specifically talking to him about wrapping to stringers completely and also glassing in the floor.

I appreciate the in put. This was the only place I called in the Houston area that would give me the time of day to discuss this job. I'm hoping my gut instinct doesn't cost me big time.

And yes, offshore for work
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well this is what it looked like yesterday.



also got an email response from the questions yall have posted from the shop.


"Yes, all of your new floor & all of the stringers will be covered with 2 layers of fiberglass matting and will be bonded to the sides and stringers permanently as they where when manufactured.
Please rest assured knowing your floor will be 100% structurally sound and is being installed by a licensed composite boat builder..other wise known as "@n@l Glen" don't tell him I called him that ok.. None of us want to ever redo a floor and thus far we have never had to redo one under warranty since 1995 when _______ opened its doors for business."

WE WILL SEE!! I tell you what tho, I sure am hoping it is right cause i love that boat!
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Hey you get what you pay for, but if you get 5-10 years of use for 2500 without getting dirty then do you really have much to complain about?

They wont be using pressure treated to save money, because it is more money than untreated. They are unlikely to be using epoxy because epoxy is very expensive.. but that is the standard of care in the marine industry and polyester certainly has its place as the dominant resin in the marine industry. If they are doing an actual entire stringer job and using a reasonable amount of care you should be getting your moneys worth.

For that much money on the seats you should make sure you are getting top quality material in the original style.
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Originally posted by newguy1986 newguy1986 wrote:


And yes, offshore for work


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Boat / Barge mostly last year. I worked in Venezuela and Trinidad for 2 months and also some shorter times in Tampico, Mexico.

I am going next friday to pic out the colors. I expect it to be marine grade materials...

Im changing the colors from red to gray. I couldnt stand the red carpet.
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I'm replacing my 78's grey this winter with blue. The grey was in good shape but it shows everything and the PO wasn't too tidy when changing fluids etc. We have a hard time keeping the 96's factory grey clean as well. Just a thought.

Grey before...


Blue replacement...


...FYI, I'm not trying to go against everything you post, just letting you know what I've seen/screwed up in the past.

Like Joe said, if you don't have to touch a thing and get to enjoy the boat another 10 years it'll be well worth the investment. Any engine upgrades while it's out???

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yeah thanks for that storm34 and i dont take your posts as you are trying to go against everything. In the end I will be driving MY boat and YOU will be driving YOURS.

the red was HORRIBLE. I will see how the gray works and if anything its a listens learned. It will look better staind than the red did

when changing fluids i feel like i would be bright enough to put something down to protect my carpet.
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I can speak "first hand" that beer will NOT stain the grey carpet.
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Sn206 - didn't even think of that! Great to know!

Well as far as the motor - no. It ran fine when I brought it in. Any ideas?? I'm new to old boats
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Very good input Ryan!

Motor depends on how you're going to use the boat I guess. We pulled a 351 that was running great to add some power for barefooting....and it's always more fun to have more power!
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Originally posted by SN206 SN206 wrote:

I can speak "first hand" that beer will NOT stain the grey carpet.

No, but we do know it will stain the Teak sole of a Paragon!


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Originally posted by JoeinNY JoeinNY wrote:

Hey you get what you pay for, but if you get 5-10 years of use for 2500 without getting dirty then do you really have much to complain about?

They wont be using pressure treated to save money, because it is more money than untreated. They are unlikely to be using epoxy because epoxy is very expensive.. but that is the standard of care in the marine industry and polyester certainly has its place as the dominant resin in the marine industry. If they are doing an actual entire stringer job and using a reasonable amount of care you should be getting your moneys worth.

For that much money on the seats you should make sure you are getting top quality material in the original style.

Good points all around, Joe.

The interior quote is in the ballpark for a high quality, original set of skins. Just make sure youre getting your money's worth.

I concur with the others that a $2000 stringer job is going to get you low quality materials and even lower quality labor. Personally, I wouldnt do it- Id be more inclined to run a rotten boat than to do a half ass fix... and continue to save up for a proper repair in the meantime. But thats just me.

Im not convinced that a low quality repair will buy you much time vs. running a rotten boat a few years longer... but maybe Im wrong. Breaking down the costs, then that still has to be $500-1000 in material, right? I know a repair with epoxy would be in the $1500 ballpark. At $40/hr, that $1500 still equates to less than 40 hrs of labor... which is about 20% of the time estimate that seems commonplace for a first timer here. I dont see any way around them cutting serious corners, personally.

Like Joe said, you get what you pay for!
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Im not convinced that a low quality repair will buy you much time vs. running a rotten boat a few years longer... but maybe Im wrong.

Like Joe said, you get what you pay for!

Tim,
I do not feel you are wrong and concur with your comment.

It will be interesting to see what this "pro" does with scabbing in the stringers.It looks like a "half a**" job and BS about them never having a stringer job come back. It's too bad we can't talk to previous customers!

God help him if he took it to Cooter in Texas!!!



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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:




Im not convinced that a low quality repair will buy you much time vs. running a rotten boat a few years longer... but maybe Im wrong.

Like Joe said, you get what you pay for!

Tim,
I do not feel you are wrong and concur with your comment.

It will be interesting to see what this "pro" does with scabbing in the stringers.It looks like a "half a**" job and BS about them never having a stringer job come back. It's too bad we can't talk to previous customers!

God help him if he took it to Cooter in Texas!!!



first off, I do understand people voicing an opinion about the decision I made, and second I understand that I should have asked yall what you thought before hand. thats the reason I posted everything.

BUT with that said no one on this site can say weather this guy is actually a fair man that knows what he is doing or he is a scam. you dont know if they have or have not had any one bring back there boat from a stringer job. just becuase you have an opinion about a man you have never talked to or dealt with doesnt mean he is uncapable of doing the work.

I found a guy that I trusted with out doing several background checks.... I can bet all the money that i have in the boat that he will do a better job than i would have.

Just saying give the guy a chance......... he has been straight forward and including me by email during the whole thing.. i appreciate yall posting and I hope you continue to follow but we all dont say a painting is sh!t after the first stroke.
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whats yalls thoughts on installing a thick steel plate under the gas tank? I forget how much room is back there. any one thought of that before? if so how thick if possible.

I will post the update pic today when i recieve. hope yall are still interested in the "NON DO IT YOURSELF" build.
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Originally posted by newguy1986 newguy1986 wrote:

whats yalls thoughts on installing a thick steel plate under the gas tank?

What purpose would that serve?
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Originally posted by newguy1986 newguy1986 wrote:

whats yalls thoughts on installing a thick steel plate under the gas tank?


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well, I dont know about the permanent ballast system. Seems silly to be throwing a big old weight in your boat to just cruise around or if you want to ski youll be very dissapointed. I had a buddy with a 95 ski and he just got one of those fatsacs that are like a couch and took his back seat out. To me that is the best because you are not losing any space and its removeable.

Also remember if you ever get in a situation with a shallow ramp or shallow water, you cant remove a steel plate.
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